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xenomorphic
Joined: 29.12.2010

IPoker, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $20 (100 bb)
BB: $20 (100 bb)
UTG: $20 (100 bb)
MP: $20 (100 bb)
CO: $20 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $20 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with {TT-55, AJs-A7s, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AJo-ATo, KJo+, QJo}(12.07%)
2 folds, CO raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.60, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.50) 3 6 9 (2 players)
CO bets $1, Hero calls $1

CO is an unknown but assumed to be reg/reasonable.

valueraising range {9d9h, 9d9s, 9h9s, 8c7c, 6d6h, 6d6s, 6h6s}; 4.37% of our range on the flop.

flop-calling range {TT, AcJc, KcJc, AcTc, KcTc, QcTc, JcTc, Ad9d, Ah9h, As9s, Kd9d, Kh9h, Ks9s, Td9d, Th9h, Ts9s, Ac8c, 9d8d, 9h8h, 9s8s, Ac7c}; 17.45% of our flop range.

bluffraising range {AsJs, KsJs, QsJs, AsTs, KsTs, JsTs, As8s, As7s, AcJd, AcJh, AcJs, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs}; 8.75% of our range.

how do these ranges look? particularly, how is the bluffraising range? we are raising 13% of the time on this flop; 8.75% bluffs and 4.37% values.

i don't really care so much about being balanced, i'm just trying to come up with an approach to raising flops IP vs unknown assumed-regs.

in summary i'm just raising the best BDFDs, floating the stronger draws like OESDs and FDs (and of course my mid-strength hands), and raising for value with the monster draw and my sets. i think i could float some of the strongest Ax BDFDs that have 2 overs as well but in this case i jst put them into the raising range also because it's the sort of board that people will probably barrel on.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

i'm tired so going to talk purely from an exploitative standpoint :f_biggrin:

the problem with raising these boards is that the value hands you rep are literally only sets, so if you aren't a nit your range has tons of draws/pure bluffs and i tend to rebluff often.
anyway as a default i prefer to raise some clubs and flat spades, for reasons that i'm not sure that make too much sense. :f_biggrin: mostly based on opponent tendencies, though i know that you want an answer from a "default" point of view...


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xenomorphic
Joined: 29.12.2010

interesting thoughts.. still doesn't feel like a reason not to have a bluffraising range though. and if you raise clubs but fold to a raise (assuming..), why not raise spades instead and be much happier laying down basically trash as opposed to sigh-folding a hand with nice equity?


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

raise/fold low clubs and raise/ship Ax:c (if i decide i want to raise that), also sometimes we can still raise/call low clubs anyway because ip and villain makes it small or something.
also our implied odds on clubs are low when calling, while our implied odds on spades are quite higher

if villains are folding all day then i prefer raising spades :f_biggrin: but i think i mostly just give villains too much credit for seeing that i rep super narrow for value when people aren't actually doing that


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xenomorphic
Joined: 29.12.2010

hmm it feels slightly spewy to raise/get it in with NFD... i only expect sets to bet 3betting the flop so definitely don't think i'd be doing that unless i've seen villain play aggro enough. also there aren't many small clubs in our range that arent some sort of combodraw or pair+draw, but i see your point there


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

so, if villains are 3betting only sets, should we be raise/folding 33 (value comes from when they call, which is how they continue most of the time)?
it's kinda sick but interesting to think about these things, i can definitely see some villains against which that could be correct ;(

and if we aren't getting 3bet often and don't know if he folds a pair or not, we can raise for a free card (!), we get immediate FE on the flop and get to see the river at a cheaper price (!)
i specially like raising oesds, since they have higher implieds and we can rep the flush when it comes as well


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

PF: I'll probably flat a little wider, all pairs, KTo, a few more suited one gappers and all suited Aces.

Postflop: I think your ranges look fine. Personally i would prefer flatting AJ and raising A:cT on the Flop instead of A:cJ. I will flat top set and raise bot and mid set. I would also raise some combo draws (7:c8:c) and some gutshot + spades


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

one thing i never quite got is, do we ever turn any of these backdoor bluffs into 4bet bluffs, or flat ip, or something?

exploitatively i've been 3betting super wide in boards where regs rep a value range of sets only (like this board) and it's been working really often. so, if i 3bet not too large and they fold and i show autoprofit...
i feel like there is something that i'm not quite getting here. guess they should have some gs that they can flat?


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mbml
Joined: 27.11.2008

you can probably flat wider with some gutshots if you suspect he's bluffing but usually the SPR is already so shallow that you don't really need to rebluff at that point.


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jules97
Joined: 10.06.2012

nice flop :f_cool:


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