AK 3BET Shove?

Hi darchvile. Do you play with a HUD? Having VPIP and PFR stats are really helpful here. I would shove this all day unless you have a read that Villain is super super nitty and only has QQ+ in his range (in which case I would fold). Calling accomplishes nothing so it's shove or fold.

hey evolv.
i usually have hold em manager running in the backround but no i usually have the hud turned off. its kind of annoying i felt but i think i will try and incorporate it from now on. i just need to play around with organising it a bit better.
do you know if the stats are affected by the late game?
i mean if i was getting into the money all the time lets say and i was playing alot of heads up, are the stats not truly accurate because of the more frequent playing of alot more hands when playing heads up and around the bubble compared to playing in the early game?

For hand itself I would be shoving practically always. Just cannot really fold such strong hand in single raised pot with 11bb.

Originally posted by darchvile40
hey evolv.
i usually have hold em manager running in the backround but no i usually have the hud turned off. its kind of annoying i felt but i think i will try and incorporate it from now on. i just need to play around with organising it a bit better.
do you know if the stats are affected by the late game?
i mean if i was getting into the money all the time lets say and i was playing alot of heads up, are the stats not truly accurate because of the more frequent playing of alot more hands when playing heads up and around the bubble compared to playing in the early game?

I would advice to use very simple HUD at first. Even having just VPIP/PFR is good at start. Makes it easier to profile your opponents. Having complex HUD at beginning is troublesome because its harder to remember what all stats are and even harder to analyze them correctly. E.g. you can be in situation where you make decisions based on stats that you read in wrong way.

For your later question about stats afected by late games. Yes if you are using unfiltered stats then all hands about villain will be used at all stages of game. Meaning that villain early game stats are looser than in reality and counter wise late game stats are tighter than they should be.

This problem is easily avoided by filtering stats based on player amount. Its pretty easy to set those. For 9man games you might want to set it something like this:

Number of players | Hands filtered:

2 | 2
3 | 3-4
4 | 3-5
5 | 4-6
6 | 5-8
7-9 | 6-9

So meaning that in HU you would only use hands from HU itself. I recommend this as playing styles often alter a lot when in HU. When 4 handed stats would be filtered from 3 to 5 handed play and so on. Filtering hands too much is problematic as then you often dont have hands on anyone. E.g. if you are filtering stats in 5 handed just to 4-5 it means that you wont have any hands on someone you have not played against earlier in 4-5 handed situation.

Hopefully this explained this nicely

thank you for the reply ghaleon and the time and effort explaining what i needed to do that will help alot.
iv just done it ,now i just need to know how i can move the huds out of the way in areas where they are blocking me from seeing other ppls chip stack and in the fold, bet area where its impeeding me, as far as i remember you used to be able to just click on them and move them around but that doesnt seem to work anymore....

In HEM2 it should move huds by pressing right mouse button over HUD box and moving it into desired place. In PT4 it requires using unlock layout from options.

Hello all,

Originally posted by ghaleon
For hand itself I would be shoving practically always. Just cannot really fold such strong hand in single raised pot with 11bb.

Originally posted by darchvile40
hey evolv.
i usually have hold em manager running in the backround but no i usually have the hud turned off. its kind of annoying i felt but i think i will try and incorporate it from now on. i just need to play around with organising it a bit better.
do you know if the stats are affected by the late game?
i mean if i was getting into the money all the time lets say and i was playing alot of heads up, are the stats not truly accurate because of the more frequent playing of alot more hands when playing heads up and around the bubble compared to playing in the early game?

I would advice to use very simple HUD at first. Even having just VPIP/PFR is good at start. Makes it easier to profile your opponents. Having complex HUD at beginning is troublesome because its harder to remember what all stats are and even harder to analyze them correctly. E.g. you can be in situation where you make decisions based on stats that you read in wrong way.

For your later question about stats afected by late games. Yes if you are using unfiltered stats then all hands about villain will be used at all stages of game. Meaning that villain early game stats are looser than in reality and counter wise late game stats are tighter than they should be.

This problem is easily avoided by filtering stats based on player amount. Its pretty easy to set those. For 9man games you might want to set it something like this:

Number of players | Hands filtered:

2 | 2
3 | 3-4
4 | 3-5
5 | 4-6
6 | 5-8
7-9 | 6-9

So meaning that in HU you would only use hands from HU itself. I recommend this as playing styles often alter a lot when in HU. When 4 handed stats would be filtered from 3 to 5 handed play and so on. Filtering hands too much is problematic as then you often dont have hands on anyone. E.g. if you are filtering stats in 5 handed just to 4-5 it means that you wont have any hands on someone you have not played against earlier in 4-5 handed situation.

Hopefully this explained this nicely

This ♠_thumbsup:. Standard push there. We can't fold here.

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Antoan