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deep, multiway, 3bet bot, DP min + nut oesd

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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

iPoker - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: €121.95 (VPIP: 60.39, PFR: 15.97, 3Bet Preflop: 7.17, Hands: 469)
BB: €411.50 (VPIP: 33.50, PFR: 25.35, 3Bet Preflop: 8.75, Hands: 2,350)
Hero (UTG): €659.80
MP: €539.55 (VPIP: 81.83, PFR: 25.54, 3Bet Preflop: 10.96, Hands: 1,063)
CO: €290.50 (VPIP: 31.29, PFR: 15.24, 3Bet Preflop: 6.54, Hands: 8,548)
BTN: €425.45 (VPIP: 62.64, PFR: 23.82, 3Bet Preflop: 8.56, Hands: 849)

SB posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has 6♦ 9♥ 8♦ 7♠

Hero raises to €4.00, MP calls €4.00, CO calls €4.00, BTN calls €4.00, SB calls €3.00, BB raises to €28.00, Hero calls €24.00, MP calls €24.00, CO calls €24.00, fold, fold

Flop: (€120.00, 4 players) A♦ 6♥ 8♣
BB bets €68.00, Hero raises to €324.00, fold, fold, BB raises to €383.50, Hero calls €59.50

Spoiler

Turn: (€887.00, 2 players) 7♥

River: (€887.00, 2 players) 9♠

BB shows A♣ A♠ J♠ 9♣ (Three of a Kind, Aces) (Pre 64%, Flop 72%, Turn 90%)
Hero mucks 6♦ 9♥ 8♦ 7♠ (Two Pair, Nines and Eights) (Pre 36%, Flop 28%, Turn 10%)
BB wins €884.00

BB good reg.
Not hyper aggressive, but doesn't make mistake, know to play position etc...
SB and MP fish
CO and BU bad regs

Préflop

opr std, when all that callers and BB squeeze vs all the table, i really though about fold.

not because of BB, but here no one's folding (because fish don't fold anything, and the others if they coldcall the first time with a decent hand, now with position and odds they're not going to give up.

And my 6789 hand is typically that kind of hand which with in those multiway and big pot is going to get fucked and make lose ton of money on flops 9Tx, 89Kx etc... hardly dominated when it connected on cards 8-Q.

but ye I think fold that would be horrible.
What would be the kind of rundowns you would fold here. The minimal perfect rundown or low gapped rundown you call here ? (8 high ?)

Maybe they're not rundowns that you would opr and fold then in this spots ?
The rundowns you would have fold vs the 3bet, you would have it openfold direct ?

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well, I called and say to my self that I'll try hard to not spew postflop. Give action on nut draws, avoid situation on big low draws, because nut draws would be sucking me, and play it safe postflop against all that people...

Flop

... and poker gods are testing me :evil:

fuck it, BB range is full of good AAxx when he squeeze it 200bb against the whole table

've got bottom DP that would be often useless here (just 2 blockers to not making full house).
That not oesd.

well I think I can't call here, flopped too strong and pot too big.

so raise or fold.
Tried to convince myself that sometimes BB could have some bigAxxx + broadways, massive rundown A high (AKJT ss/ds double suited like) or maybe superpremium KKxx that would be representing the A on the board.

so let's get in it.
If I'm against top set, still got oesd+bdfd to give some equity


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

like you said, BB's range should be full of AA this deep and OOP. I don't understand your raise at all. I would definetly call here. Why can't you call? You have an oesd, 2 pair and bdfd. Raising because the pot is too big makes no sense in my mind.

Regards,

Skod


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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

I shoved because I think that calling flop was committing me.

The pot does 120€.
If I call (and everybody folds), in the turn the pot would be 256€, with 319€ stack left.

SPR ~1, would it be reasonable also to fold it turn my DP+oesd on blanks if he pots it ?
seems me quite hard.

so, we are just calling flop for the nut oesd + bdfd.
Not an error, since he gives us sympathic odds (68€ in a 120€ pot), so the call should be mathematically ok.
Moreover we've got position, and we can assume that we have big implied odds too, since when he has top set it may would be hard for him to give up.
So just calling for oesd, :diamond: eventuellement and fold the rest, even "6" and "8" that full my hand (sick, I don't think i could fold turn on a 6/8, and I'm not sure it's reasonable).

is that right ?

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to the preflop, what were the higher perfect rundown or low gapped you would openfold UTG ?
no one ?

and on a fishy/stucky table where nobody is never folding anything ?


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

i would say BB is never bet folding here into 3 opponents, so we pretty much know he has a made hand. Best best case scenario he has AKxx or something, but like we said it's more likely he has a range heavily weighted toward aa because of the preflop action.

With that in mind, what you want to do here is to get other people to call, not other people to fold. Your shove only makes sense if you think you have FE otf; but a decent player will never have a b/f range here mw.

Also unless villain has a really strong hand he can't be happy after you call, so i really doubt bare Axxx simply jams the turn with an spr higher than 1. That just doesn't happen that often imo.

Preflop i'm folding with top gap, opening with low gap.

Regards,

Skod


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