QQ 3bet cold callers, TJ3 monno

No idea wtf happened but congrats you literally got the best result possible. Flop check seems good as well. I'm not sure about turn, seems fps, opening up the action to get reshoved on, you know I'm not a fan of this. I probably just flat turn and go from there, but congrats that it worked out.:f_thumbsup:

I'm not sure about turn, seems fps, opening up the action to get reshoved on, you know I'm not a fan of this.

So when there is a possibility that guy is going to reraise but you plan to fold vs reraise, you dont raise even though you have value raise (meaining raise EV > call EV)?
I think it is not bad thing at all if he reraises, because it is 4way going to be flush a lot so I dont mind folding worse hand. Also he is a huge fish, so he should have enough of worse hands that call min raise (if he folds any hand at all)

I probably just flat turn and go from there, but congrats that it worked out.:f_thumbsup:

Yeah it worked, it was lucky runout and that reg and MP fish both gave up, and only big fish stayed in the hand.

I don't reraise, not because I'm afraid of folding vs reraise but because I don't know that the raise is higher ev than call. I'm also worried that I might get re-raised off best hand or a ton of equity which is worse than missed some EV.

In similar way I am worried to get bluffed of the best hand if another spade comes on river and he turns some trash hand into bluff, or if some overcard comes on river and he bluffs or even value bets worse.
So I actually raise turn because it is easier imo to play, I gain initiative, and hopefully get rid of other players (for them it is so tough to call when action is not over), so I can check back any river, or value bet as I did.

If that's what you think, then go for it. Long as there are good reasons for your play.

Whilst not a shotgun valuebet on the flop, I'd bet QQ with no spades coz hand is pretty vulnerable. Especiall with two fish.

Originally posted by jules97
Whilst not a shotgun valuebet on the flop, I'd bet QQ with no spades coz hand is pretty vulnerable. Especiall with two fish.

yeah I was not sure about it, but imo it is big question if QQ has even 33% equity there, so it can be called as a bluff bet on flop with almost no outs

Originally posted by jules97
Whilst not a shotgun valuebet on the flop, I'd bet QQ with no spades coz hand is pretty vulnerable. Especiall with two fish.

I considered betting flop as well but not sure just how much I like it considering fish are going to be married to Qs-As and possibly even worse and have a ton of suited combos. It just depends on how aggro they are if we can show down this hand or get into really ugly situations, you might be right and this might be better. These 4 way spots are lame :/