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5€ AQ 3bet postflop play

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vincentgula
Joined: 03.12.2008

Hi
oponent 22/13
pre maybe more 3bet like 1100?
flop ok ?
river ch/ch ?
Poker Stars €4.50+€0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t75/t150 Blinds + t20 - 9 players - View hand 2625284
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BTN: t10432 M = 25.76
SB: t19674 M = 48.58
Hero (BB): t12810 M = 31.63
UTG: t4178 M = 10.32
UTG+1: t12705 M = 31.37
UTG+2: t11960 M = 29.53
MP1: t8740 M = 21.58
MP2: t10000 M = 24.69
CO: t9695 M = 23.94

Pre Flop: (t405) Hero is BB with Q♣ A♦
4 folds, MP2 raises to t300, 2 folds, SB calls t225, Hero raises to t900, 1 fold, SB calls t600

Flop: (t2280) 3♣ 7♦ 9♦ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t1254, SB calls t1254

Turn: (t4788) 5♣ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (t4788) T♠ (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t1915, SB calls t1915


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Fronzelneekburm
Joined: 08.10.2013

No stats on Villain? Since he raises from MP2 he probably has at least a pocket pair or a nice Ax Kx.

Pre flop: 3 x villains bet size is imho pretty much standard and absolutely OK. That he calls it is a bit scary, I'd estimate him on TT+,AQ+ unless he is a maniac/loose. His stack is bigger than yours, so most likely not a desperate call.

Flop - he checks, maybe didn't hit anything? The c-bet against a checking player is a vital tool to get more info. You didn't hit anything, but the c-bet will tell you how much villains hand is worth compared to the flop. I'd have made it a bit higher, around 2/3rd of the pot up to pot size. If he calls that then he most likely either has a high pocket pair or hit at least Top pair on the flop. But even with your c-bet size it does not seem villain is completely empty handed here.

Turn - He checks again which makes it rather look like he got a medium pocket pair like 88+ or so. Maybe AK or similar. You still didn't hit anything and your diamond backdoor flush draw also vanished. Understandable that you also check.

River - Still didn't hit anything, so we're pretty much an underdog against any pocket pair, any pair/2 pair/set, so not looking so good. The small bet (Less than half pot) looks a bit weak. Maybe Ace high with Queen kicker is enough, but normally only if villain is a call station. often you will lose here. For a good river bluff the bet needs to be much higher, something around pot size - but i won't recommend empty handed bluffs. So a check would have been better here, we rarely win the pot in this situation. if we do then put a not on villain that says "notorious call station".


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vincentgula
Joined: 03.12.2008

he probably has at least a pocket pair or a nice Ax Kx.

He can still have suited conectors 98s+ from MP2

Pre flop: 3 x villains bet size is imho pretty much standard and absolutely OK. That he calls it is a bit scary, I'd estimate him on TT+,AQ+ unless he is a maniac/loose. His stack is bigger than yours, so most likely not a desperate call.

You have been misreading Preflop we were 3 players. MP was original raiser and SB cold call on my 3bet SB called.

FLOP:
It is 3bet pot i think 1/2-2/3pot make same if he doesn´t hit anything.

River i think he can still have 3rd pair, pocket 88 maybe missed flushdraw. But u are right if i want to fold him, i must bet at least 1/2 pot. Question is if i play optimal at 5Euro stake. I Bluff to much and i think to win is playng only ABC poker at theese stakes.


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Tiltberger
Joined: 23.06.2005

Hey Guys... I need to reply to this because there are so many wrong thinkings!

Pre flop: 3 x villains bet size is imho pretty much standard and absolutely OK. That he calls it is a bit scary, I'd estimate him on TT+,AQ+ unless he is a maniac/loose. His stack is bigger than yours, so most likely not a desperate call.

-> as deep as you are its too small against 2 oponnents 1,1k would be better! Your callingrange is WAY 2 tight. As deep as you are here against your small squeeze most villains are calling much much much loser!

Flop - he checks, maybe didn't hit anything? The c-bet against a checking player is a vital tool to get more info. You didn't hit anything, but the c-bet will tell you how much villains hand is worth compared to the flop. I'd have made it a bit higher, around 2/3rd of the pot up to pot size. If he calls that then he most likely either has a high pocket pair or hit at least Top pair on the flop. But even with your c-bet size it does not seem villain is completely empty handed here.
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cbet for info is like 2008 thinking! You either cbet because you want to create value with your hand (worse hands are able to call) or you want to to bring better hands to fold if you don't have sd-value (for example 7, 8 9 high hands on boards where you can bring kx, or ax hands to fold...

Villain should check all highpairs, nuts, hits, etc. to us (pretty much his entire range). From there he can raise, call or do whatever he wants -> the thing is most players cbet way to much!

in this case -> why do you bet flop? do you think worse hands are calling? -> no there are not really worse hands that can call. He he bluffs us on the turn with his worse airtype hands (kx, worse ax) its fine.
do you think we can get off better hands? no -> better hands are def. calling! so your bet is useless!

river -> easy give up. We don't beat much (maybe aj, or some fd combos) but against this bet (with that sizing especially) you wont bring any hit to fold!

Greets,
Tiltberger


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