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monster draw 3bet pot on Q83,Qs, action?

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Falber
Joined: 20.02.2009

Hi,

villain is a reg, 15% 3bet on that spot. 70% cbflop 42% turn on the tighter side about herocall and bluff.

Raise flop? Raise turn to see a AA or FD/wrap fold ?

€1/€2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
Winamax
4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO (€252.67) 126bb
billylow (BTN) (€200) 100bb
SB (€203) 102bb
BB (€104) 52bb

Pre-Flop: (€3, 4 players) billylow is BTN 9♥ K♠ J♠ 10:diamond:
1 fold, billylow raises to €7, SB raises to €23, 1 fold, billylow calls €16

Flop: Q♣ 3♠ 8♥ (€48, 2 players)
SB bets €34, billylow calls €34

Turn: Q♠ (€116, 2 players)
SB bets €58, billylow calls €58


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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

Preflop std

Flop i would call ip just like you

those inside wraps have top nutiness but not a such equity vs made hands, because it doesn't count so many outs (9 outs, you could easily find wraps with 13 or 17 outs), so they're not the best wraps to gamble, and having nutiness it's easy to play when see turns. And you got position + bdfd

Moreover this board is quite dry.

In a way, you have more made hands than draws when you're gambling here.

But in an other way :
- U still often can have some Qxxx + GS (Q9Jx; QJTx, QT9x) that in pot 3bet that you should raise here. And I think AAxx/KKxx, and maybe AQxx wouldn't be folding often here
- I think if u flopped monster (set, Q8xx), ip on such a dry flop u would more often slowplay this and move turn
- this board is no drawy, so bare overpair can't be crushed by a drawing hand, so it's has a good equity vs all ur range since you haven't got a set (i mean, on a board like 9J3:wwx, bare AAxx can be in bad shape against some pair+draw, so wouldn't gamble it. here it's not the case)

Turn

it's hard here, as he got a high 3bet frequence here, and Qxxx his present on a 3bet range like that.

The most he would be oriented AAxx, the most you would have a easy shove I think.

As this board isn't very drawy.
On 3bet pot 100bb deep, your p+draw flopped should have often be raised flop
So now, in you're calling range flop, there're : 9TJx, monsters slowplayed (set, Q8xx), or TP w some OC that are floating ip.
I mean your calling range is full of Qxxx.
So vs ovp, I think u got good FE by shoving here. At least when you get called by ovp, with your inside wrap + FD you have still a good equity (if he does'nt have AAxx with FD max)

Now, he has a high 3betting range, and it seems me suspicious that he barrels on this turn that looks the most terrible turn for him (if he got overpair).
Don't like to see him barrel here...
Not many full house I think, but trips are hurting us loud (moreover, if he 3bet Qxxx preflop, it's often a connected hand like 9TJQ/TJQK/AQKJ... bref, Qxxx with broadways, that are killing some of our straighty outs)

I think vs him I would call (odds ok), and fuck fold river when he gii on our broadways outs


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

i would call turn and bluff rivers if checked to. I mean that's what you would do with Qxxx right? if you have a Q here you either have a boat or you are really not afraid of any rivers imho. But yeah jamming seems fine here as well if you think he is barreling air and KK+ here.

Regards,

Skod


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