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Ako vs donk turn and shove

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GingerKid
Joined: 05.08.2007

partypoker - $0.04 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 125 BB (VPIP: 23.73, PFR: 19.93, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 562)
SB: 114.25 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 9.79, 3Bet Preflop: 2.47, Hands: 380)
BB: 84.25 BB (VPIP: 24.44, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 46)
UTG: 132.5 BB (VPIP: 24.43, PFR: 19.46, 3Bet Preflop: 2.63, Hands: 227)
Hero (MP): 306.5 BB
CO: 47 BB (VPIP: 27.84, PFR: 7.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 98)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ A♦

fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 3 BB

Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) K♠ 7♥ 4♦
BB checks, Hero bets 6 BB, BB calls 6 BB

Turn: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 9♦
BB bets 9.75 BB, Hero raises to 36.5 BB, BB raises to 74.25 BB and is all-in, fold

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BB wins 126.75 BB

ok to raise turn ? if he shoves, is it a call? I think such guy is not going to bluff here, but can I expect him to overplay some KQ hands?

i open 4bb UTG and MP to avoid multiway pots, also villians fold vs cbet 52% on flop, and on turn and river 20%, 30%, so
I think it is very good to be in HU spot. Maybe 5bb open?
CO, BU and SB I open 3bb. Average player folds BB vs SB 70%, but my steal success from BU is 43%. So thats why I increase size from BU, to hopefully get more folds, and to again avoid multiway pots? There are almost no reg shortstackers / midstackers, who would agressively attack my large open raise size, also in general population doesnt 3bet much, so I think no problem to open raise larger?


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CasinoRoyal
Joined: 26.11.2006

I just call the turn donk and fold to a pot size river bet.

Just in case one player folds to a steal with 70%. Two of them will fold only 49% (0.7x0.7=0.49).


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MancaMulas
Joined: 12.03.2009

Why do you raise the turn? He will not continue with weaker hands. Maybe only KQ/KJ if he's bad player, but in the long run you will only isolate against better hands with that turn raise. Just call and re-evaluate the river. I would consider call a normal bet, and fold to a near-potsize bet or overbet.

An open-raise of 4bb on UTG/MP should be fine. If you know that you have a huge donkey that will most likely call any raise, you can make 5bb


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w34z3l
Joined: 03.08.2009

Hey guys,

Preflop is fine. Flop cbet for value is fine.

Nothing wrong with a turn raise here imo, the only issue I have is the sizing. We need to illicit calls from draws so sizing should be closer to a min-raise. It's not actually a bad spot when we get 3bet generally either since one pair hands are pretty easy folds vs turn 3bets at this limit. Flatting turn rather than raising would clearly be fine though.


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