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full max river 3way, nitty call ?

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OsCardozo
Joined: 29.05.2011

iPoker - €2 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €206.05 (VPIP: 30.91, PFR: 20.18, 3Bet Preflop: 6.50, Hands: 8,043)
SB: €616.95 (VPIP: 80.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: 66.67, Hands: 5)
BB: €524.35 (VPIP: 41.90, PFR: 22.83, 3Bet Preflop: 9.08, Hands: 5,327)
Hero (UTG): €186.00
CO: €618.00 (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 5.97, Hands: 209)

SB posts SB €1.00, BB posts BB €2.00

Pre Flop: (pot: €3.00) Hero has Q♥ A♣ Q♣ 4♥

Hero raises to €4.00, fold, BTN calls €4.00, SB calls €3.00, BB calls €2.00

Flop: (€16.00, 4 players) T♥ Q♠ 8♦
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets €9.00, fold, SB calls €9.00, BB calls €9.00

Turn: (€43.00, 3 players) 9♠
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: (€43.00, 3 players) T♠
SB checks, BB bets €28.00, Hero calls €28.00, SB calls €28.00

Spoiler

SB shows 6♠ J♦ 7♣ 3♠ (Flush, Queen High)
(Pre 29%, Flop 19%, Turn 72%)
BB shows K♣ 8♥ 7♦ T♣ (Full House, Tens full of Eights)
(Pre 27%, Flop 3%, Turn 6%)
Hero shows Q♥ A♣ Q♣ 4♥ (Full House, Queens full of Tens)
(Pre 43%, Flop 78%, Turn 22%)
Hero wins €124.50

BB decent regfish, SB big whale

Preflop

std

Flop

too

Turn

meh bad turn, all Jxxx are ahead now and they're lot of it.
Miss value/protection against FD maybe, but just too much Jxxx that wouldn't fold here.

Ye, maybe could make a bet that realise equity if I bet here some 1/2 pot, realisizing my 25% odds full draws vs straight and building pot / implied river if I bink full.

but prefered the check.

River

mmmmm ye I'm ahead 98% of the time here obv.

problems is that
-if I raise I'm not going to get lot of value from lower hands.
- nd there're quads and straigth flush possible here.

I mean, TTxx is possible in BB hand (that a little deep would softly play his second set on a straighty flop.
KJxx + gs straight flush draw would be sick, but possible too.
He's not super stationny, and could fold some fulls here when I raise river (moreover with a 3rd guy behind who has to say).
I think he would fold 88xx and 8Txx. 9Txx 'd fold more or less often too. QTxx 'd be the only hand I think he'd call almost 100%.
and obv he'd fold his valuing thins flushs.

So I'm not getting tons of value vs his betting range here.

Moreover, SB is a big fish.
I mean if I just call, he can make awful calls with any flush, or even worse.

But if I raise, he is going to fold this kind of hand


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Hi,

yeah it's a nitty call, but i can see your reasoning if you think there's more value to the third guy calling than you would have by raising here.

Regards,

Skod


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MrTrocks
Joined: 25.03.2006

dont know skod if u still reply on the hands...i try it :-)question about the turn: would u bet ott if we where hu? and what sizing would u choose?


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Skodljivec
Joined: 17.12.2011

Check turn. Terrible card ;)


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NiGhMa
Joined: 14.09.2012

I think I like raise here personally and hope to get called by worst full or sometimes nut Flush... I understand if you want the wale call but may be you could get more money raising here against other full...


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010

Problem is that when hero raises the river, what can BB call with? He is some sort of reg (over 5K hands on him) so when hero raises the river he can call probably with QT and better hands (after all hero raises when there is a player behind him yet to act). There are two combos of QT, and three combos of better hands. So if his calling range is QT+, he will have better hand more often which make it -EV as a valueraise.

We could valueraise if BB's calling range gets wider. But then we narrow SB's calling range. If SB is a fish, he might call with all kinds of hands when hero calls. If hero raises, he will just fold everything but the full house.


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Janosikgdy
Joined: 06.05.2007

Shouldnt hero bet more on flop ?


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