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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

partypoker - $0.04 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 121.75 BB (VPIP: 26.45, PFR: 12.40, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 121)
SB: 167 BB (VPIP: 25.66, PFR: 21.52, 3Bet Preflop: 11.22, Hands: 1,961)
BB: 112.5 BB (VPIP: 21.20, PFR: 12.95, 3Bet Preflop: 1.54, Hands: 547)
UTG: 288.25 BB (VPIP: 46.16, PFR: 24.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.99, Hands: 1,077)
MP: 154.25 BB (VPIP: 28.79, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 66)
Hero (CO): 175.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♦ A♠

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) A♥ T♣ K♥
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB

Turn: (16.5 BB, 2 players) 7♠
BB checks, Hero bets 13 BB, BB calls 13 BB

River: (42.5 BB, 2 players) 3♦
BB checks, Hero bets 36 BB, BB calls 36 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows J♦ A♠ (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 72%, Flop 35%, Turn 23%)
BB shows A♦ T♥ (Two Pair, Aces and Tens)
(Pre 28%, Flop 65%, Turn 77%)
BB wins 109 BB

is river overplay? I expect him to riase at least some stronger combos on previous streets, and donk some (fish regs do it some of the time). Also river, should I expect him to call Kx, Tx hands some of the time?


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KingKas
Joined: 30.06.2012

Villain seems a bit fishy, so I think he might call off with Kx vs missed FD's, however thinking he calls 3 streets with Tx is a very optimistic.

As played, I think you overplayed the hand. Not only do you bet 3 streets, but you bet 3 streets of 3/4 pot.

Most of the time I would look for 2 streets of value here, and check back the river. You will fold most Kx (or worse) hands by betting 3 streets, and only get called by better Ax hands or raised by better. So the river bet folds out all worse hands, and only gets called by better.

If he seems like a calling station, and you have 500 hands on him, you might be able to make a small river bet, to get hero called.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I would check back river too. What do we hope for with that big of a bet?


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by nitrol
I would check back river too. What do we hope for with that big of a bet?

hope for a weaker Ax calls, Kx (all draws are busted and he is fishy). Size for the fish doesnt matter that much,
if he likes his hand, and thinks I am bluffing he calls anyway.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

OK. And why then you post this hand for Hand evaluation? 2 players tell you that you overplayed the river and you still convince yourself that you played it right....
What weaker Ax will call 3 big bets on every street? I will look forweakerAx only if thereis FD and A is not on board.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by nitrol
OK. And why then you post this hand for Hand evaluation? 2 players tell you that you overplayed the river and you still convince yourself that you played it right....
What weaker Ax will call 3 big bets on every street? I will look forweakerAx only if thereis FD and A is not on board.

I hope you dont get offended, I posted only to hear opinion from coach (that opinion only really matters to me). Since I realized that coaches are not answering any more, I will stop posting. It is also ok to discouss with other players, but especially discoussing with micro stake players is not helping much, because they can give usually bad answers.

What weaker Ax will call 3 big bets on every street? I will look forweakerAx only if thereis FD and A is not on board.

If you think that weaker Ax and Kx fold (especially fish), do you bluff on river like this?Bluffing in that case would print you money, since he would fold >90% of time on river if your assumption about his range is correct. Fish are well knowing for calling too much, not for folding too much.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

A 21/13/1.5 player is not such a fish. I think you abuse this term frequently and that's the problem.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by nitrol
A 21/13/1.5 player is not such a fish. I think you abuse this term frequently and that's the problem.

depends what do you consider to be fish? I consider a player to be fish, if he is playing far from what is considered solid play. And those stats are very bad, which indicates frequencies that are usually far from solid. And if somebody has big gap between VPIP and PFR, it means he plays very passive, and usually calls wide. You are right, he is not real fish (calling station), but he is a bad player.


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