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burek2000
burek2000
Joined: 16.11.2007
Posts: 3,140
25.11.2008, 00:38

Known players:
[tg]Position_Stack:hands/vp$ip/RaisePreflop/AF/WTS/ORL/BBvsSteal/W$SD;SB$20,75:07/57/29/0,7/33/-/-/0;Hero$5,00:///////;BU$15,80:96/58/15/1,4/35/20/75/50;[/tg]
0,1/0,25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.62 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3♥, 5♠
5 folds, BU calls $0,25, SB calls $0,15, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0,75) K♠, 2♥, 4♣ (3 players)
SB bets $0,25, Hero calls $0,25, BU calls $0,25.

Turn: ($1,50) 9♥ (3 players)
SB bets $0,25, Hero calls $0,25, BU raises to $1,25, SB calls $1,00, Hero calls $1,00.

River: ($5,25) 6♥ (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3,25 (All-In), BU calls $3,25, SB folds.

Final Pot: $11,75

Results follow (highlight to see):
Hero shows a straight, six high (3h 5s)
BU shows a pair of aces (As Ac)

Hero wins with a straight, six high (3h 5s)

:)


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Fongie
Fongie
Joined: 02.12.2006
Posts: 3,072
25.11.2008, 01:59

I'm pretty sure you don't have the odds to call the turn (You need something like 5:1 for an OESD from flop-turn or turn-river). Plus, the heart outs might have to be discounted. You got lucky this time, but I'm pretty sure this is -ev and definately not playing by SSS (with SSS we don't play draws out of free play unless they're monsterdraws aka oesd+flushdraw).

Flop pot odds: 4:1 (when bu calls its 5:1 which is just enough for an OESD but you couldn't know that when you made the call)

Turn pot odds after raise: 1.50 + 0.25 + 0.25 + 1.25 + 1 = 4.25:1

Neither are good enough to call for your OESD.

Conclusion:
Fold flop and fold turn, and don't brag in a misplayed hand :P

Please correct me if my calculations are wrong also ;)


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_Anonymous_
_Anonymous_
25.11.2008, 02:26

i would fold the turn against the raise because you only have 6 clean outs. flop call is standard you will always have the implieds.


alejandrosh
alejandrosh
Joined: 02.07.2008
Posts: 3,996
25.11.2008, 03:35

nothing to add since I have to agree with the judge (really? ♦)

take a look at this master slowplay with aces http://weaktight.com/541998


burek2000
burek2000
Joined: 16.11.2007
Posts: 3,140
25.11.2008, 10:50

I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong to play draws passively if they're not monster ones...

About the hand, flop is standard call with the odds I get, on the turn with 4,25:1 odds and with the implied odds is still a profitable call for OESD. With the implied odds I got you will see I am also eligible to make a call with 6 outs since you need 7:1, but I got 4,25+3,25:1 (7,5:1). Plus, when discounting outs you can always have additional outs beside the clean ones. :)


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