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h1: good to cbet on the turn in mw pot on so wet board?
IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $1.16 (58 bb)
BB: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): $3.49 (174.5 bb)
MP: $3 (150 bb)
CO: $0.72 (36 bb)
BTN: $1.17 (58.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.06, MP folds, CO calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, BB folds

Flop: ($0.26) T J 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.18, CO calls $0.18, BTN folds, SB calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.80) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.56, CO calls $0.48 and is all-in, SB calls $0.56

River: ($2.40) 9 (3 players, 1 is all-in)
SB checks, Hero checks

Results:

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$2.40 pot ($0.16 rake)
Final Board: T J 3 8 9
SB showed Q K and won $2.24 ($1.44 net)
Hero mucked K K and lost (-$0.80 net)
CO showed T J and lost (-$0.72 net)

h2: otf I have overpair + bdfd so definetely cbet for value and protection to not be outdrawn. When he shoves over my bet can I find fold button? Villain started the hand with 74bb so I think always gii against SS? Since he iso the limper only for 3x it's hard to put him on range. 33, AT, JT, 89dd, 78dd would be logical as villain played? 27/23/0.9 over 97 hands btw.
IPoker, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (SB): $2 (100 bb)
BB: $0.85 (42.5 bb)
UTG: $3.20 (160 bb)
MP: $1.02 (51 bb)
CO: $1.47 (73.5 bb)
BTN: $1.46 (73 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A A
UTG folds, MP calls $0.02, CO raises to $0.06, BTN folds, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, CO calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.40) T J 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.28, CO raises to $1.29 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.01

Turn: ($2.98) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($2.98) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:

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$2.98 pot ($0.19 rake)
Final Board: T J 3 8 3
Hero mucked A A and lost (-$1.47 net)
CO showed T T and won $2.79 ($1.32 net)


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

H1: Can't see any other line

H2: Nasty spot here. Against such a passive villain I would never see him doing this in 3-bet pot with 89s, or even with AT. On the contrary, he could have slowplayed QQ and he could do so with AJ in theory, so... It's a crying call.

If you had like 500 hands on him and he has very small aggression frequency and low raise flop, then it's a fold.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

How about betting bigger on hand 1?
Hand 2 - when a passive guy wakes up- he has a strong hand.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

1. With so many fishes behind I would start open 4 even 5 BB. Bet pot on flop.
2. Bigger 3bet OOP and vs. fish. Those guys are capable to overplay hands, with his stack size and in 3bet pot I'm sure he feels he is pot commited:f_biggrin:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Hand 2: vs range AJs, KdQd, JJ-TT you have only 35% equity.


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Originally posted by nitrol
Hand 2: vs range AJs, KdQd, JJ-TT you have only 35% equity.

But he is shortstacker, still fold?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Pot is offering 33%, You need 35% to call.
You tell me... :)


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That's almost breakeven so nothing bad with folding :)


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I think H1 is good. w34z3l advices to bet with smaller sizing in multi-way pots because your bet looks very strong itself when multy way, but the board is a bit drawy and if there are players which like to call, probably ok to bet as in HU pot. I would also bet the flop and turn, but take the passive line on almost any river.

In H2 I think you don't have a sample to conclude that he is passive. Given the flop play, I think that, besides sets with JJ-TT, he could also have something like QQ, AJ and KQ, maybe even KK sometimes, so I would call with 34% of pot odds.


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Originally posted by Alleen86

In H2 I think you don't have a sample to conclude that he is passive. Given the flop play, I think that, besides sets with JJ-TT, he could also have something like QQ, AJ and KQ, maybe even KK sometimes, so I would call with 34% of pot odds.

Ok I put this in equilab: TT-KK, AJs, KdQd I have 66% equity against this range. Pot odds are offering 34%. Easy call. Even without KK, AJs we have 52% equity. Above I made wrong math thinking that this call is breakeven almost.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Man, nothing is wrong with the math above! You now include QQ-KK and the calculations change.
I think this is the main point in the hand: will villain jam flop with overpairs?


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Originally posted by nitrol
will villain jam flop with overpairs?

Probably not. At least I would not think unknown villain overplay overpairs on this flop. Usually QQ, KK's are stacking off hands preflop in 2nl.


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