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burdiganoasa
Joined: 31.07.2014

iPoker - €0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 61.6 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 15.63, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
UTG: 252.2 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
Hero (MP): 49 BB
CO: 40 BB (VPIP: 11.50, PFR: 10.81, 3Bet Preflop: 7.50, Hands: 119)
BTN: 332 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 14.10, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 78)
SB: 37.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q♠ K♥

fold, Hero raises to 2.4 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2 BB, fold

Flop: (5.8 BB, 2 players) 5♥ K♠ 6♥
SB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB

Turn: (13.8 BB, 2 players) 4♠
SB checks, Hero bets 9.6 BB, SB calls 9.6 BB

River: (33 BB, 2 players) 3♦
SB bets 21.4 BB, Hero calls 21.4 BB

Spoiler

Hero shows Q♠ K♥ (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 65%, Flop 80%, Turn 89%)
SB shows 6♣ 9♥ (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 35%, Flop 20%, Turn 11%)
Hero wins 70.8 BB


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I think we should raise 3bb preflop. The flop and turn are fine, but I think we should fold the river. He is rarely bluffing or value betting worse there.


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

1. General: Why do you have 50ish bb at the start of the hand? Either get 100 and play bigstack or get 20 and play smallstack.
2. Preflop: I'd raise higher from mp in general (you don't want to play oop vs co or bu on flop) and surely on those limits - more value.
3. Flop: Perfect
4. Turn: That card just opened straightdraws and a flushdraw. Many drawing hands are still in the hand. I'd raise closer to pot size.
5. River: Multiple draws came in and two pair is definitely possible. Fold this. You might have won the hand, but you'll more often lose it there.


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burdiganoasa
Joined: 31.07.2014

TY for analysis, I play mss(I'm trying) and I make almost 10 bb and I was waiting to sit out.I open 2.5 always (probably I need to change that)and the river call, I think it was a mistake but I was happy in the end (I don't know if I can call a hero call :) )


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

Originally posted by burdiganoasa
I open 2.5 always (probably I need to change that)

Opening small outside of the button is only justifiable on those low limits if you happen to come upon a table of nits where you can steal blinds by raising loosely, or if you are playing against a table of calling stations (without aggression) and want to raise many drawing hands pre flop to build multiway pots and take stacks with sets, straights and flushes. Most of the time you'll want to just raise your good hands large, though, as fish will not likely care whether it's 2 or 3 bb, but the difference is very noticable 3 valuebets down the line. Consider this example, 2/3 pot bets on flop turn and 1/2 on river, sorry for uncomfortable numbers:

bu vs bb - 2 bb raise pf (I know you raise 2.5bb, but I just want to make the point that it has large impact on the end result)
After preflop: pot = 5bb
After flop: pot = (2*(2/3)+1)*5 bb = (2+1/3)*5 bb = 11+2/3 bb
After turn: pot = (2*(2/3)+1)*(11+2/3) bb = 11+2/3+22*(2/3)+2*(2/3)² bb = 11+2/3+14+2/3+8/9 bb =~= 26.5 bb
After river: pot = 2*26.5bb = 53bb

bu vs bb - 3 bb raise pf
After preflop: pot = 7bb
After flop: pot = (2+1/3)*7bb = 16+1/3 bb
After turn: pot = (2+1/3)*(16+1/3) bb = 32+2/3+5+1/3+1/9 bb =~= 38bb
After river: pot = 2*38bb = 76bb

The difference of how large the pot is in the end just because one raised to 3 instead of 2 bb preflop is large. Also consider that 3bets pf will be larger, so will reraises in the hand, and people will also be more likely to shove on you in the end if the pot size is big enough. Because the lower limits are full of calling stations this is how you get money most effectively: wait for good hands pf and play 3 streets for value when you hit them.

At least that's my opinion.


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burdiganoasa
Joined: 31.07.2014

Thank you for the advice i will consider applying it to my future game play.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

As he plays MSS he can open 2,5bb. River call is not ok. 4-to-straight, possible 2p, so we have to fold.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Most importantly, take notes on guys like this one (had a look in the spoiler). As he is capable of turning a (weak) made hand into a bluff, he'll bluff more than his fair share, and TPDK is then a call (but you couldn't know that beforehand). Info like that is much more worth than even 2k hands worth of stats. Just remember that he might remember you as well (as a station:D).

Generaldoubleoseven's analysis of above is good.

It is okay also to have different sizes for different kinds of hands. E.g. with 55 you want to play a big pot if you hit, but with KJ you might not want to play a big pot OOP - even if you hit. With a hand like 97s the first order of business is to see a reasonably cheap flop. Just mix it up some, and nobody will be able to read you, especially not at zoom micros or the like. Even overlimping on the button with trash vs fish is fine (whatever people may say:f_biggrin:)


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generals007
Joined: 17.09.2007

Originally posted by YohanN7
Most importantly, take notes on guys like this one (had a look in the spoiler). As he is capable of turning a (weak) made hand into a bluff, he'll bluff more than his fair share, and TPDK is then a call (but you couldn't know that beforehand). Info like that is much more worth than even 2k hands worth of stats. Just remember that he might remember you as well (as a station:D).

+1

Originally posted by YohanN7
It is okay also to have different sizes for different kinds of hands.

I think this advice is good on the lower limits, but once opponents start to pay attention, you're giving away what type of hand you're holding, which will make their preflop play against you hell for you.


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