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River bluff vs. reg

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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

$0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

SB: $20.40 (102 bb)
BB: $9.13 (45.7 bb)
UTG: $6 (30 bb)
MP: $51.68 (258.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $21.08 (105.4 bb)
BTN: $33.54 (167.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8 9
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.50) T 5 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.05, Hero calls $1.05

Turn: ($3.60) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($3.60) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.52, Hero raises to $19.43 and is all-in, BTN folds

Results:

Spoiler

$8.64 pot ($0.43 rake)
Final Board: T 5 8 J 5
Hero mucked 8 9 and won $8.21 ($4.04 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$4.17 net)

The guy is known reg - 30/20, with low 3bet from BU, likes to play fancy sometimes. On the flop I don't see reason to cbet. On this kind of board he would bluff me a lot, on many turn cards I wont be able to make cbet and I want to keep his whole preflop calling range.
On the turn I catch mid strenght hand with good equity and I think X/C is better especially after flop went x/c.
River - since he checks back the turn I exclude sets and FDs which he would cbet on the turn. So I put him on bluff or mid strenght hand that should fold to a raise.


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I really like how you played this hand!

If villain is the type who'd bet the turn for thin value with A8, K8, Q8, and Tx in that spot, I'd be more inclined to bluff-catch his desperation bet on the river rather than shoving. At that point his range would have more air than a lemon meringue.

I usually don't like huge all-in overs, but I really love it in this spot. His range is super capped, but Tx may possibly call against a normal sized re-steal if he perceives you as doing that. However, based on his stats & line I didn't type him as a good thinking player, which means we don't need to worry too much about what we represent. 0% of his range can call a shove. Way to throw it in his face!


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StormLorD112
Joined: 07.05.2011

I think there is no need to raise AI - you can easily have the same fold equity with a bluff 3 bet of ~10USD.
Also I would not exclude FD from his range, something like A8s is completely possible here. Also maybe KQs played passively.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I also wouldn't exclude FD's completelly from his turn range, but it's not probable. As you said, if he bets the flop with something like backdoor nut flushdraw, I don't see him checking back the turn. I also don't think he would check back As8s. What bothers me is that there is a chance that we actually have the best hand on the river because I expect Tx and Jx to bet the turn, I would say. QQ-AA are also betting the turn, if he has those. Seems to me that he has something like 77, 66, 44, 33, 22 or A-high more often than Jx, Tx or 8x. So, I think we maybe don't need to turn our hand into a bluff, but play it as a bluffcatcher.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not like the push on river. If you think he is bluffing-we hold the bluffcatcher. And if our push will be called with only hands that beat us, I do not think it is ok to do this.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

My assumption was that he did not have strong hand otr. I agree that pushing is maybe too much. My target were some Tx hands.


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I'd just call his range is pretty weak, if your going to get out of line though there is no reason to shove, like do you see his Tx hands folding to a shove but he is going to hero call you if you only use a normal sizing?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

You will get just as many folds (perhaps more "they ALWAYS have it there" he'll be saying to himself) by donking $2 OTR. Ten times cheaper. This, on the other hand, may arouse suspicion, because people often get greedy with nuts and try to milk, not overbet.

Don't misunderstand what I mean. They shouldn't be calling you bet, but there is a chance they will because they think that they can read something into the bet size, sometimes with some sort of reverse logic.


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GoOnCal1
Joined: 22.01.2015

Originally posted by YohanN7
..........with some sort of reverse logic.

Reminds me of a "Get Smart" episode where the Chief must decide weather to cut the red or the black wire to defuse a time bomb.

Max explains that its always the red wire unless they know that we know that so then it will be the black wire. Thinks for a moment and says, but they will know that we know it will be the black wire so it will be the red one. (something like that) As the clock ticks down the Chief presses Max for an answer, "red" he says. The Chief immediately cuts the black wire :-)


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