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Best way to milk chips with a straight flush?

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WhiteWalker
Joined: 06.06.2015

I am just curious how you play this hand? Do you ever get to the turn, do you fold preflop. Is there too much gamble in my flop call or do these old 'implied odds' help me out.
PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 48 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
UTG: 78 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 343.5 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)
BTN: 86 BB (VPIP: 55.88, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
Hero (SB): 118.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4♠ 5♠ K♦ 4♥

UTG calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (5 BB, 5 players) 3♠ 6♠ 3♥
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets 5 BB, fold, Hero calls 5 BB, fold, UTG calls 5 BB

Turn: (20 BB, 3 players) 7♠
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, UTG calls 5 BB

River: (35 BB, 3 players) A♥
Hero bets 34 BB, fold, CO raises to 136 BB, Hero calls 73.5 BB and is all-in

Spoiler

CO shows Q♥ 9♣ 3♦ 7♣ (Full House, Threes full of Sevens)
(Pre 50%, Flop 58%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 4♠ 5♠ K♦ 4♥ (Straight Flush, Seven High)
(Pre 50%, Flop 42%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 242 BB

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FlyingDutchm1n
Joined: 21.08.2012

I think you played it fine here, the problem is getting 2 people to call which will only happen in a boat+ vs boat+ vs straightflush cooler scenario. Unless something is really fishy, they wont stack off the nutflush anymore here on a paired board with so much action. Against a tighter player, the A on the river runout if you lead there knowing which hand they had they might flat when you donk so big there, but then again a check raise on the river would also look superstrong so I think you did well with the donk but I think you could have done better with a smaller donk on the river (I dont like the betsizing so much) get a call from UTG perhaps who will then probably fold when it gets raised and reraised and back to him but hey thanks for the donation right : )


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

I'm an Omaha fish - is the flop call standard here?


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JonikoP
Joined: 15.05.2010

Pre-flop is probably a fold - the reverse implied odds of a hand like this are pretty bad. Unless you hit a miracle, you are generally going to win a small pot or lose a big one.

Call on the flop with the straight flush draw seems ok if marginal. Without the SF draw, I would fold. If you hit your straight or flush you have to fold to most action (and may already be way behind).

Turn looks fine. I prefer c/r river against a player that looks like he may be super aggro (based on v. limited sample).


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

maybe donk turn. :f_biggrin: i dislike the flop call, in any outs that aren't the straight flush you are probably dead


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FlyingDutchm1n
Joined: 21.08.2012

Yes preflop OOP and DEEP is reverse implied odds with your starting hand, I suppose on the flop you had like 10% equity or something lol. But from the nuts onward you played it fine. Turn donk could indeed also be an option.


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WhiteWalker
Joined: 06.06.2015

Originally posted by MJPerry
I'm an Omaha fish - is the flop call standard here?

I don't think so, I was fishing for the straight flush. I am not sure I have the implied odds to hit a 2 outer and get paid enough 100bb deep but I was fishing. Playing deep ante may be another story. In this hand we're only really ~100bb effective so I did get lucky.

In terms of the implied odds I actually think this is a poor play looking back, fold flop is likely the best option in the longrun as I can only break even on my call if I stack the other player around 120bb deep. If I am thinking about this correctly, by the time I get to the river I have invested 11bb in to the 35bb pot, in order to break even on my -EV calls on the flop and turn I must make around ~130bb profit from this hand. So 100bb effective this isn't deep enough to go fishing for the straight flush.

This is only assuming my 2 outs are the only outs I can continue on. Bearing in mind villain in the CO has been crazy aggressive and betting with air a lot of the time since he has sat at the table. If I believe that all 2's, 7's, 4's and spades are good then I have 14 outs and I get good pot odds to call.


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WhiteWalker
Joined: 06.06.2015

Originally posted by FlyingDutchm1n
Yes preflop OOP and DEEP is reverse implied odds with your starting hand, I suppose on the flop you had like 10% equity or something lol. But from the nuts onward you played it fine. Turn donk could indeed also be an option.

Vs. Villains hand I have 42% equity on the flop. Vs his range I am not too sure as playing 100% of hands his range is so wide its rediculous, thats why I call flop.


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