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Thought process review in an OESD

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kerith
Joined: 30.07.2015

This is a hand I played today, after reviewing some basic poker theory, and MAKING A COMMITMENT TO THINK TROUGH MY HANDS. I feel that the thought process is was not too bad, but I really want to correct fautls in my thought process now. Please, critique away, any feedback is really welcomed. I especially want to focus in figuring out my opponent's ranges.

Known Players:
MP2: €0,99 - 50 bb
MP3: €3,50 - 175 bb
CO: €2,33 - 117 bb
BU: €2,00 - 100 bb
SB: €1,96 - 98 bb
BB: €2,00 - 100 bb

0.01/0.02 No Limit Hold'em ZOOM(6 Handed)
Hand recorder for this hand: PokerStrategy.com SideKick 2.1.20409.2

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7♥, 6♣
SB posts small blind (€0,01), Hero posts big blind (€0,02), 2 folds, CO calls, BU folds, SB calls, Hero checks

Flop: (€0,06 - 3 bb) Q♣, 5♦, 4♠ (3 Players)
SB bets €0,02, Hero raises for €0,08, CO folds, SB calls

Turn: (€0,22 - 11 bb) Q♦ (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (€0,22 - 11 bb) 8♥ (2 Players)
SB bets €0,14, Hero raises for €0,54, SB 3-bets €0,80, Hero 4-bets €1,36 and is all in, SB calls and is all in, Hero gets uncalled back (€0,04)

Thought process

Pre-Flop:
So I check, since it's free and I wouldn't really want to raise with this hand (why would I ever!).
Stacks are kind of full, and I don't really expect too much bluffing preflop (postflop is a differente game, people get really attached to their hands).

The call from CO maybe tells me that he has a medium hand, pocket pairs, Axs, Kxs, even Qxs, but not AK or AA, or even not KK or QQ necessarily. Also some sort of connectors are possible, he could be trying to see a card for cheap.

The same goes for SB, maybe tightening up the ranges a bit since he'll be OOP post flop.

So, I get a card for free.

FLOP:
Flop comes with a present! an offsuit OESD for me. The SB picked up something it seems, because I think he wouldn't bluff or try to move me out of the hand with such a small bet if he had missed the flop.

I remove Two pair, sets and obliously flush/dlush draws, so I guess he has top pair, OESD, set or overpair, since his bet is so small.

I think that I can get paid off if I hit the straight, since I have the best straight or equally good straight (he has 76), so I raise, and he calls. (btw, how should I adjust his ranges from this call?)

I WAS NOT THINKING OF THE FOLLOWING DURING THE HAND:
Now, I didn't take the odds into account here, since I am not still ready for this, I have to take it step by step in my learning.

TURN:
I don't hit my straight, which makes my hand significantly worse, so I default to keeping the pot size small, I think that people at these limits really can't be pushed out of hands on the turn,

He checks, so at this point I guess he either wants to check/raise seeing that I raised on the flop (he has a Qx), OR he also has an OESD, and also didn't get anything. If he has an OESD I can raise, if he has Qx I am toast, so I jsut check.

RIVER:
So I get my straight (a colorful one, too!). At this point, I am ready to go all-In, since I beat Qx and most straights.
SB bets about 1/2 pot, which seems standard, and thnking that he also has a hand, either a set or a straight, I raise. He re-raises, and I guess that at this point I can go all-in and he won't fold.


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ruastinraata
Joined: 25.01.2015

I might not be a much more experienced player than the OP, but some thoughts:

Pre-flop is completely OK. Despite two connectors, the flop is otherwise quite dry so raising looks a bit odd. However, so does the min-bet by SB, but because of a cheap price to see the next card I'd just call. This also gives CO good odds to call, but I think we should not be too scared about that, because if we make the straight, it's the best possible. Despite the weak looking min-bet, the opponent decides to call the raise. On the turn you do not improve. Double barreling OESDs is normally good but I don't know if you have enough fold equity to execute it now. After having seen how the hand played out on the river, it looks like the opponent tried to check-raise.

River completes the straight but paired board makes full houses possible so you do not have the nuts. I'd also raise the river, because Qx will still call, but then SB decides to re-raise... for a minimum again. Having seen two min-bets in a same hand makes me think that the opponent is not too good and due to a good price we get by calling, I'd call. 55 and 44 beat us and I might play them like this (well, except for the bet sizing), but that is not the case very often.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I agree that we cannot raise preflop with this hand. Checking is fine. On the flop I would rather call. We have a good draw and we don't hate to be multi-way for the better implied odds. I also don't expect to have enough fold equity against the SB. As played, I don't think we will have a fold equity on the turn, either, so I like checking. I like the raise on the river, but when he 3bets, I think we have to call because we don't have the nuts.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If we just call we are left with $0.56.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by nitrol
If we just call we are left with $0.56.

But that's $0,56 we will most likelly invest unprofitably, I believe, and since it's NL2, that's 1/4 of buy-in.


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kerith
Joined: 30.07.2015

Yeah, but I don't see what hands beat us, besides QQ, and for the check on the turn I guess he didn't have it.

EDIT: Nevermind, forgot about Q8, Q5, Q4

On the flop, I can see why I should have called here (small pots for small hands, big pots for big hands), I guess there is no discussion.
However, for the sake of argument, I'll ask: Is there anything to be gained by raising?
for example, If I raise and he calls, I can eliminate most pocket pairs from his range (TT-22). Is that information worth the money of the raise?

Anyway, thanks for the great feedback, and for reading the wall of text containing mostly noob talk, I really appreciate it.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Anyway, it can be a good play to call the 3B.


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Ales851
Joined: 16.07.2012

Preflop OK. Flop I prefer call 3way. T OK.

River just call his 3bet. By 4beting you usually isolate to stronger range. I can imagine that river shove can be not so terrible mistake vs fish who call all trips (still not happy to do it) but vs solid even microstake player it´s a big overplay.


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kerith
Joined: 30.07.2015

So, by 3-betting, if I give him credit, he is telling me that he has a hand better than a set, right?
Now that I think of it, it makes perfect sense, since I would not 3-Bet with set on that board, if I were him.

Thanks for the feedback :) I find that just one deep analysis like this gives me more info than 5 random hands posted with no commentary.


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