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[SH] AQ OESD in 3-bet pot

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$5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

SB: $5.00 - VPIP: 16, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 0.5, Hands: 63
BB: $5.52 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 27, 3B: 19, AF: 0.0, Hands: 60
UTG: $8.64 - VPIP: 39, PFR: 10, 3B: 5, AF: 1.1, Hands: 49
Hero (MP): $5.00
CO: $10.34 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 24, 3B: 13, AF: 7.5, CB: 80, Hands: 67
BTN: $6.30 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 0.6, Hands: 89

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is MP with A♦ Q♣
UTG calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, CO raises to $0.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.30

I'm not sure if I like this call. Folding is fine. 4B/folding as a bluff is possible if we know that the villain can 3B loose here (which he might seeing how we were isolating a fish). But calling with AQ OOP... I don't know. Can it be profitable (and when)?

Flop: ($1.12) T♥ J♦ 9♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70

What do you think about check-raising vs check-calling?

Turn: ($2.52) 4♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.24, Hero raises to $3.80 and is all-in...

If we called we would have 1/2 pot stack left and if we don't hit a straight we will have to fold. We might have decent implied odds though, especially if we hit a K, but then if a diamond comes up we may not get many calls. Also, we lose to KQ on 8 river.

Anyways, my solution to a marginal call was a marginal raise. :) I figured we might fold out his AK... which is not much now that I think about it.

So maybe the marginal call wasn't that bad of a plan?

Or can we fold?


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Ales851
Joined: 16.07.2012

I have to admit that I´m not sure about optimal play here.

First - I don´t like to sit on the table with this player behind - so I would sit out.

PF - I think call is OK against someone who 3bet enough. Just remember that some people 3bet a lot from blinds but not so much in these positions. If you´re not comfortable to play it postflop, you can go 4bet/fold.

OTF - boards looks good to x/r in general but I´m afraid our fold equity is not so good. I doubt he fold AK.

I would really like to here other opinions about this hand.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

With such an active player behind us, we should tighten up our opening ranges.

Postflop we should x/call F and T. Raising is overplay, imo.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Fold turn. Check-calling flop is best; I don't think we've much fold equity on this board.

Preflop I think 4betting is probably better than calling against this player.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I don't like calling preflop. I think would be better to try to bluff. As played, I like check/calling flop more than check/raise. I think that our draw is too strong for turning it into a bluff and that we can check/call the turn, too.


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Originally posted by Alleen86
I don't like calling preflop. I think would be better to try to bluff. As played, I like check/calling flop more than check/raise. I think that our draw is too strong for turning it into a bluff and that we can check/call the turn, too.

But the stronger the draw, the better it is for bluffing (the less FE we need). Unless we suspect the opponent to 3-bet rebluff, in which case we shouldn't bet against him in general.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The stronger the draw, the more you do not want to fold it vs a raise.


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I think I know another reason why flop should be a call: a bluff won't fold out a made hand here, and against his bluffs calling might be enough for him to give up on turn.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Seems reasonable and is true.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by Th334

Originally posted by Alleen86
I don't like calling preflop. I think would be better to try to bluff. As played, I like check/calling flop more than check/raise. I think that our draw is too strong for turning it into a bluff and that we can check/call the turn, too.

But the stronger the draw, the better it is for bluffing (the less FE we need). Unless we suspect the opponent to 3-bet rebluff, in which case we shouldn't bet against him in general.

With strong draws we have a very good equity, which means that we don't need so much fold equity + combined with the fact that he is sometimes giving up on later streets, so we can try to bluff him on the river if we miss. Since we will check/raise monster hands there (two pairs, sets and straights), we need to balance our check raising range with some bluffs. Since we are check/calling strong draws, we should check/raise weak draws, like gutshots, backdoor SD + backdoor FD, backdoor nut flushdraws, overcards + backdoors, weak OESD...


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