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My biggest pots lost advice [over rating pocket pairs?].

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Hello everyone,

I just started playing with real money after years of playing on and off with play money. I started at 40$ and i am currently at 37$ in 4 days.
To improve my game i downloaded pokertracker 4 before i started playing with real money. Now after a couple days and around 3k hands i decided to analyse where i lost the most money. The top 3 pots lost according to pokertracker are all pocket's and when i check for the top 3 pots won there is not a single pocket to be seen not even in the top 10. :f_rolleyes:

Hands:

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

MP: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 21.74, PFR: 15.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 46)
CO: 210.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 12)
BTN: 77.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
SB: 114 BB (VPIP: 18.03, PFR: 13.11, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 123)
BB: 107.5 BB (VPIP: 17.54, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 15.79, Hands: 58)
Hero (UTG): 239 BB
UTG+1: 119 BB (VPIP: 16.42, PFR: 14.93, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 67)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Jc Jh
Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 19 BB, fold, Hero raises to 239 BB and is all-in, SB calls 95 BB and is all-in

Flop : (229 BB, 2 players) 8c 4s Kc

Turn : (229 BB, 2 players) 5c

River : (229 BB, 2 players) 2c

SB shows Qd Qc (Flush, King High)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows Jc Jh (Flush, King High)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)

SB wins 221 BB

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

Hero (UTG): 98 BB
UTG+1: 17 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
CO: 40 BB
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 148.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, CO posts penalty blind 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Ah Ad
Hero raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 4.5 BB, fold

Flop : (12 BB, 2 players) Th 5c Jc
SB checks, Hero bets 11.5 BB, SB calls 11.5 BB

Turn : (35 BB, 2 players) 9c
SB checks, Hero bets 81.5 BB and is all-in, SB calls 81.5 BB

River : (198 BB, 2 players) 5h

SB shows Js Jh (Full House, Jacks full of Fives)
(Pre 19%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)

Hero shows Ah Ad (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 81%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)

SB wins 191 BB

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: 94 BB (VPIP: 87.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 7.41, PFR: 3.70, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 56)
Hero (UTG): 87.5 BB
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
CO: 40.5 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kd Ks
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 12.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 87.5 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 75 BB

Flop : (176.5 BB, 2 players) 9d 6s 2d

Turn : (176.5 BB, 2 players) Jc

River : (176.5 BB, 2 players) 3d

Hero shows Kd Ks (One Pair, Kings)
(Pre 18%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)

BTN shows As Ah (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 82%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)

BTN wins 170.5 BB

Now what i am wondering is if i am over rating pocket pairs or just a little unlucky with them and how do you guys play them?


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

#1 I would fold to 3bet. If we decide to defend, calling is better because I don't expect to get calls by worse with shoving.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

#2 What the heck is going on on the turn? We should bet/fold with normal sizing and I would probably plan to bet/fold 1/2 the river (checking back the river would also be fine, I believe).


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

#3 It's ok to go broke with KK, no matter the positions.

So, overall, I think you are overastimating your pocket pairs, both preflop and postflop. Preflop you should look at the strenght of a pocket pair and pay attention to positions. Postflop you should also pay atttention to the board.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Hand #1 I would not push here too. If you want to defend - just call. By pushing you get yourself isolated vs hands that practically beat you.
And do you open for 6BB?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Hand#2 - What is the reason for a push here. You should bet turn around 55-60% and fold vs a raise.
Your open size preflop is also big - 5BB.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Hand#3 - it is ok played. With Kk you can push.
And your preflop size is ok too.


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Ales851
Joined: 16.07.2012

First advice - forget everything what you learned on play money tables :f_biggrin: I think the difference betweeen playmoney and NL2 is much bigger than between NL2 and NL25.

Edit: now I saw all your hands. It´s not a big deal that you making mistakes until you learned from it. But really, you have probably a lot of bad habits from money tables. I thing you should start to learn from basic. I think confidant91 make video series which is even for people with basic status. It could be a good starting point to learn.

Also I mentioned you probably using bigger preflop sizing with better hands. It can be perfectly OK on NL2, just be careful when you meet people who looks that they now what are they doing - they crush you if you will open Aces on 5bb and let say AJ on 3bb

First hand - preflop call or fold is also option vs tight opponent. I don´t mind overfolding vs 3bet on NL2 especially when we sit on early position - people usually 3bet very tight range against us. If you see someone 3bet more, you can start defend more as well. In general I don´t like to stack off preflop for 100bb JJ on NL 2 without read that villains is very loose aggresive. It can be sometimes good on BTN, SB or BB. But on UTG when you stack off only KK+, you should be fine on lowest stakes.


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Ales851
Joined: 16.07.2012

Hand 2 - you should bet normal sizing here (like 2/3) and fold vs raise. Don´t overbet until you learn when it´s OK. If you never overbet on NL2 (and even higher) you should be OK. Also when you get raise on the turn and have overpair or worse, it´s usually good time to fold


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Ales851
Joined: 16.07.2012

Hand 3 - it´s OK to go all-in preflop but not with your sizing. You should just 4bet with sizing between 2,5x - 3x of his sizing. By your sizing you are telling him - fold all your bluffs and continue only with good hands.


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Thanks for the reply's guys !:f_love:
Ill try and improve my sizing and fold a lot more as i notice my vp get kinda high sometimes 30-40%


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I have a small wish - Please post every single hand in a separate thread. Thus you can receive a much more detailed comments and start different discussions. Cheers. :)


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