Hugely underepped hand vs river overshove

TT or KK he has (although I think it tends more towards KK). He is clearly not bluffing; with what hand could he be bluffing? (I'm assuming he is not a fish because 1. his >100 bb stack size and 2. he didn't open limp but open raised). Your postflop play is fine..

Preflop I wouldn't have 3betted AQo vs UTG, but I play only cash and not zoom, I don't know how different the levels are...

He took advantage of the board structure on the river (possible flushes and straights), most likely with full house, nice fold then.

It's fine to 3bet this hand preflop because in average we will win more money than with calling. Most of the time he will fold and some of the time he will call, in which case we have position and a very good hand. As played, there are some hands he can play like that. He might have JJ, TT, KK. Sometimes he might have a flush, but rarely. Only A♣:Q♣: make sense. But I doubt that he will push with a flush. I also don't think he is bluffing. So, good fold, imo.

I like to call preflop. I like to play vs his whole range ip.
As played I would fold river. There are too many possible hands that beat us.

What about folding preflop? I probably would fold this hand in this situation from time to time (and I certainly have)

Before you say "oh noes what a nit!" the latest days i've been playing 20/16 in NL10 FR (standard, not zoom)

Folding pre is really nitty. Especially in a 6 max game.

But this is 9 m, so folding pre wouldn't be awfu, but we got position so well that can't never be wrong imo. Remember that 66% of the time villian will miss the flop. You're calling for a split as best therefor I would tend to fold, people at those stakes dosen't bluff enough IMO.

I see 6 players on the table. And it is written - Zoom Pokerstars 6 players...

Originally posted by Saren113
But this is 9 m, so folding pre wouldn't be awfu, but we got position so well that can't never be wrong imo. Remember that 66% of the time villian will miss the flop. You're calling for a split as best therefor I would tend to fold, people at those stakes dosen't bluff enough IMO.

It's not 9man its 6max. Folding pre is ok if the guy is opening 13% or less from UTG otherwise its probably better to play AQo, and usually it will be better to 3b than to call

I dunno why people are saying KK, he basically never has KK when he flats the 3b. A lot of weaker nl10 players will have KJs definitely, and to a lesser extent JTs, as well as TT.

His river jamming range is something like KJs (2), JTs(1), TT (3), KJo (say 4 since he wont always call it)
so theres like 10 combos you lose to, and you need to be good over 40% to call river. The problem is we can't give him hands like AJ to jam river for value without him also jamming flushes for value. So you need him to have 6 bluff combinations, which I don't see happening for this sizing. Most of his hands have showdown value so there is no need to blast 2x pot on a bluff with a hand that could win SD if only a small % of the time.

Also, if you think about your own range, you have KK, JJ, TT and several flushes on the river too, so its not like he can get away with bluffing river a ton here anyway.

ranges & theory aside - that line is nutted as hell - nice lay OTR and nice 500BB stack ♦

Hey guys thanks all for the responses! A few quick questions ive noticed in the last few hand histories ive posted/read from other people. I've read a lot of people saying stuff like because he has 100bb+ stack hes probably not a fish, can i ask why you think this? I mean i guess its a fair assumption since we have no other info on the players so that makes sense i guess, or it is mostly because you think they start pretty short stacked also?
From playing nl10 here ive noticed a lot of these players very rarely slowplay preflop such as KK so i was not putting him on any big hand such as that. was a pretty sick and gross session in the end, from running it upto 500bb in 100 hands, to then losing 3 aipf with AA, KK, QQ all of which i was against underpairs. Would've put me above the 1000bb in a session and instead ended down 100bb haha. sick poker.

I don't really like 3betting UTG and preffer flating over 3betting without info.

But as played all I can say is just ' Nice laydown' , with such overbet he strongly polarizes to FH's cuz with trips he should have made bet on the flop. Almost no bluffs in his range so again Nice laydown

Originally posted by rubberduckie000
Hey guys thanks all for the responses! A few quick questions ive noticed in the last few hand histories ive posted/read from other people. I've read a lot of people saying stuff like because he has 100bb+ stack hes probably not a fish, can i ask why you think this?

This is probably wrong whoever said it, >100bb stack can easily be a fish. Nothing in the rules that says fish can't win pots

But if someone is playing a stack of 60-90bb they're most likely a fish, because regulars usually auto-topup and shortstackers usually hit and run before they get to this stack size

I prefer 3bet on MP or CO and call on BTN but 3bet is probably OK. As played looks OK to me. I expect he has FH+ too often and try to get max value from weaker strong hands.

100BB+ stack is not a mark of fishiness. Fish will play not filling its stack to 100BB after every hand.

Originally posted by metza
But if someone is playing a stack of 60-90bb they're most likely a fish, because regulars usually auto-topup and shortstackers usually hit and run before they get to this stack size

Yea i definetely agree with that rather than the 100bb+ meaning they're not a fish comment

Anyway thanks for the feedback, would've liked to know what he ended up having.
Im starting to think even he put me on AK and he rivers a flush? i checked the flop then bet on turn when i hit top pair and he calls with some flush draw + pair maybe? not really sure. anyway.