squeezed pot

I wouldn't shove. Might just call OTF and evaluate again in turn. Did villain have QQ or AA?

You really put sb on draw range considering the action preflop. You overthought that one.

Originally posted by Berezovaya
You really put sb on draw range considering the action preflop. You overthought that one.

In the deep 6max games they 3bet all kinds of drawing hands, but I didn't have any information on villain so I guess your right, to a point but I know that most of the players 3bet and squeeze so wide in the games ive chose to play, the bottom line is that your right, vs an unknown player and the action preflop I should of just give him credit

Originally posted by la55i
I wouldn't shove. Might just call OTF and evaluate again in turn. Did villain have QQ or AA?

He had A♥:K♥:

Something in the preflop play bothers me.
As played - call down.

I would rather call the flop and probably fold the turn.

after doing some equity calculations, with some bluffs in the range of the 3better, my equity is 30% so I need 3.2/1 pot odds roughly is that correct? im getting about 3-1 slightly over. Having said that, the problem with our hand is that when we hit its easy for our opponent to fold all the hands that we beat because he mainly has bluffs and when we hit and he has better it puts us in a real differcult situation, that's without even thinking about the other player, witch now leaves 4bet or fold.

What are your thoughts on 4betting as a bluff?

Equity Win Tie
MP 2 35.13% 33.40% 1.73% { 22+, A6s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+, KQo }
Hero 3 30.84% 28.76% 2.08% { KQs }
CO 3 4.03% 32.41% 1.61% { 22+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AQo+, KQo }

You should have called down. No need to turn it into a flip when you are in position. Fold if a heart or an ace comes.

4betting as a bluff shouldn't be done in position in my opinion. You are the button you should see the flop and try to outplay. Much better than blindly putting half your stack on the table pre-flop, which is a better play being out of position against a squeeze or the button.

I think this hand is strong enough for calling and no need to 4bet bluff. If we decided to 4bet bluff, I doubt that it will be succesfull vs two. But who knows, with the fold equity and the equity we have when get called, maybe it would be more profitable than calling.

We can easily be dominated here....

We will never be a favorite when get called, but will still have equity. The question is how much fold equity do we have.

I'm talking if we just call preflop.

Originally posted by FrozenElf
after doing some equity calculations, with some bluffs in the range of the 3better, my equity is 30% so I need 3.2/1 pot odds roughly is that correct? im getting about 3-1 slightly over. Having said that, the problem with our hand is that when we hit its easy for our opponent to fold all the hands that we beat because he mainly has bluffs and when we hit and he has better it puts us in a real differcult situation, that's without even thinking about the other player, witch now leaves 4bet or fold.

What are your thoughts on 4betting as a bluff?

Equity Win Tie
MP 2 35.13% 33.40% 1.73% { 22+, A6s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, AJo+, KQo }
Hero 3 30.84% 28.76% 2.08% { KQs }
CO 3 4.03% 32.41% 1.61% { 22+, A7s+, KTs+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AQo+, KQo }

Thought so. All the exquisitely detailed calculations we can do with that wonderful equation leads us to simple conclusion - we may consider 4bet the best choice and treat as extreme situation we don't reccomend to do at nl10

Originally posted by Alleen86
I think this hand is strong enough for calling and no need to 4bet bluff. If we decided to 4bet bluff, I doubt that it will be succesfull vs two.

I disagree with the hand being strong enough for a call, but I agree that we should not 4bet bluff not because there is 2 people but because of our position, we cold called a raise, its uncommon for us to call here and represent a strong range by 4betting any average player would spot this and shove very wide, I think its an easy fold preflop after this discussion, unless the stacks are 200bb

You can 4 bet bluff with blockers.

Originally posted by nitrol
You can 4 bet bluff with blockers.

i don't think 4bet bluff will work because of our position