19/14/0.8 45hands
have note : oop QKo co call 3bet 4bbvs12bb
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I would bet at least 2 streets here myself. I think bet F, x/c T, bet R?
Yes. I'm not saying that you shouldn't call here. I'm saying you should bet it yourself. 
Originally posted by la55i
Yes. I'm not saying that you shouldn't call here. I'm saying you should bet it yourself.On no account should we bet otf, 45J rainbow won't make him fold anything in 3bet pot. Well played in my opinion, you could have expected him betting ott since K might be used as a scary card, then x/c and x/c the river as well
Originally posted by la55i
Yes. I'm not saying that you shouldn't call here. I'm saying you should bet it yourself.
I think nothing better is folding vs a cbet on flop. We should not create large pot with our hand.
Originally posted by Berezovaya
Originally posted by la55i
Yes. I'm not saying that you shouldn't call here. I'm saying you should bet it yourself.On no account should we bet otf, 45J rainbow won't make him fold anything in 3bet pot. Well played in my opinion, you could have expected him betting ott since K might be used as a scary card, then x/c and x/c the river as well
Totally agree.
Okay let's not cbet this then. I was just thinking that we might have decent fold equity since we 3betted this preflop. We can easily rep QQ+ here. I thought he might fold AQ, AQ KQ and maybe even smaller pocket pairs. But yea I might have been stupid.
Board is uncoordinated and there will not be much folds. Even medium pairs can call.
yea I know. I'm just used to cbet a lot cause villains usually overfold vs cbets. It is working pretty well at NL2 and NL5 zoom but yea if this is a regular table it might be wise not to cbet.
Nothing like that. Villains nowadays do not fold that much vs cbet.
Look at your cbet success stat.
Flop cbet 73,1%, cbet success 47%. What would be good success %? With 2/3 pot cbets our success % should be 40% for it to be +ev and that is if every cbet is a bluff right?
More than half of the time they are not folding. The thesis of overfolding is not true.
They don't have to fold always. Sometimes our cbet is valuebet, sometimes we have wery good equity and some fold equity.
Lets say i'm cbetting 73 out of 100 flops. 66% of them are pure bluffs = 48/100. In this case villain folds every time we want them to fold. In my experience that thesis of overfolding is still true at NL2 and NL5 zoom format at least. I'm not stupid. I believe that I will notice if my cbets are not working the way I want them to.
You didn't comment on my stats. According to google those are pretty good..
We probably have the best hand on the flop more than 50% of time, but the question is do we have 50%+ equity against hands that will call our cbet. I think not. So, we can't cbet for value, imo. The other option is to cbet as a bluff, but then again, not many better hands are folding, maybe some midlle pocket pairs. So I think that check/calling is the best move on the flop. If we don't hit the turn, we can check/fold, imo. When we hit, check/calling is fine, but I would consider leading the river. We might get calls from some mid strenght hands which would maybe check back otherwise.