[Closed] NL 25 SH - Monster draw

NH, no other way to play this. You have to shove flop to maximize your outs + create some fold equity.

Originally posted by Diedobal
NH, no other way to play this. You have to shove flop to maximize your outs + create some fold equity.

depends on oponent in this case if you get raised by a nitt..who knows, Kaitz?

nh! You have equity against all kinda hands.

Best regards,
TribunCaesar

I wouldn't shove a flop like this. If you get called, then you're in big trouble (he wouldn't call a 3-bet shove with anything less than 2 pairs).
and you have only a flushdraw to count on. (not a monster draw)
I would just call his raise and see the turn - if you complete your flush - go ahead shove, but otherwise I dont think its worth it

Meh, we have outs for 2 pair and trips and we dominate other draws, that's def. good enough.

Originally posted by TribunCaesar
Meh, we have outs for 2 pair and trips and we dominate other draws, that's def. good enough.

You're right, but we face a monster NITT (remember its SH and he has stats 15/9) with AF 1,67! so basicly we get raised ONLY if he has set (88,maybe JJ) or 2 pair (QJ), he would play draw passively.

I think that with this special opponent is better to call the flop and fold to 3/4 pot bet on turn

Originally posted by Talic

Originally posted by TribunCaesar
Meh, we have outs for 2 pair and trips and we dominate other draws, that's def. good enough.

You're right, but we face a monster NITT (remember its SH and he has stats 15/9) with AF 1,67! so basicly we get raised ONLY if he has set (88,maybe JJ) or 2 pair (QJ), he would play draw passively.

I think that with this special opponent is better to call the flop and fold to 3/4 pot bet on turn

my opinion exactly
so even with these outs for two pair and trips we're prob losing
so we got only our flushdraw to count on

nh

I still disagree.

Here we have a rather tight range:

Board: Qd Jh 8d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.773% 42.28% 00.49% 16326 188.50 { AdJd }
Hand 1: 57.227% 56.74% 00.49% 21907 188.50 { JJ, 88, AQs, KdTd, QJs, J8s, T9s, 9d7d, AQo, QJo, T9o }

Against this range it's better to go broke on the flop then to just call. We are OOP vs this guy and we won't get paid out if we hit the flush if we play it passively.

Best regards,
TribunCaesar

I agree with Tribun. If he is a nitt, IMO it makes no sense to flat call his raise since he will probably fold to any action if the flush card hit. You either go broke on the flop or fold to the raise.