[NL16] 3 bet bluff OTR, 3 flush/ 4 straight board

I personally would fold this hand preflop SB vs UTG. As played, in general I like betting the turn and river because it will be auto-profitable (w34z3l's Red Line Rampage). He will fold some mid pairs and busted flushdraws + pair by the river. When he raised the river, it's really interesting. I don't think that players are pot controlling flop on this kind of board because they would probably try to protect their hand. Also, the hands that are pot controling the flop/turn, are just calling or folding this river. So, as you said, he is representing the nut flush or nothing. I also think that nut flush is raising the flop/turn, so he might be on a bluff with busted A-high flushdraw there. We are putting additional $6,72 into pot of $14,97, so we need him to fold in 42% of cases (6,72/14,97*100) to make our bluff profitable. I think that we have it, considering all we mentined above.

If you ask me, it's a nice hand!

Thanks for in depth analysis Allen. We sould chat soon!

14 VPP of silver star in stars 😄😄😄

I don´t like the play. Villain has more nutflushes in his range than you. Consider, sometimes players check back with their nutflushes, because on such boards people fold way to often. You only have 2 Combos of Nutflushes in your range, if you call AQs-AJs. The other problem is, you dont block the Ad. If you would have the Ad, than the play would be better, because you would block a lot of nutflushcombos from him, but in this case it is pure spew.

I do not like the preflop call too. We can fold it or bluff it.
Flop is ok, but after that is an overplay for me.

I think this is spewy. I definitely don't think you generate enough FE against fish with a straight here with 2x raise otr, and seems like we dont have any reads about our opponent .

It's worked out for you this time but it's a risky play at the micros especially against unknowns.

I don't think you should have got to the river in the first place - AJo doesn't do well against an utg opening range.

Thanks everyone, some great feedback

No reads, I only play Zoom because at the moment I only really get to play on the app (hence no tracking software either), so zoom is the only thing I can bare 1 tabling. I agree as I mentioned this play would be okay with the Ad in my hand, but at the same time I just don't see him playing the NF this way.

With regards to my NF combos, I would probably defend A2-A5s from the BB against UTG as well. Is this too loose? I'm 100 points off gold, so will be interesting to see the 6max hand ranges

Yeah, regarding your Defendingrange in the BB, A2s-A5s as a call might be to loose, but i explain you that, when i am at home. I am now at work:f_cool:
But in this hand you are in the SB.:f_drink:

Yes fair point! I always enjoy reviewing hands that took about 15 seconds thinking time in detail. Only way to think through those decisions in the future quickly. Thanks buddy

Originally posted by Castle93
Thanks for in depth analysis Allen. We sould chat soon!

14 VPP of silver star in stars 😄😄😄

It looks that I'm the only one supporting your play in this hand. ♦

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by Castle93
Thanks for in depth analysis Allen. We sould chat soon!

14 VPP of silver star in stars 😄😄😄

It looks that I'm the only one supporting your play in this hand. ♦

Sometimes you have to go with your gut, and I just didn't believe he had it.

Just hope your guts will not lose you too much money in all other ocasions when he has it here...

Originally posted by nitrol
Just hope your guts will not lose you too much money in all other ocasions when he has it here...

True Although I don't tend to run many bluffs like this. I just thought it would be an interesting hand to post

Pre-flop it's a fold, especially w/ no info OOP. What do you rep on the turn, that you're willing to 3-bet the river with? Just flushes, and because of that you have to hope your opponent can't think through the situation and you can get him to fold some 2 pair and one pair hands. At higher stakes you'll just get snapped off here.

Originally posted by JohnAnhalt
Pre-flop it's a fold, especially w/ no info OOP. What do you rep on the turn, that you're willing to 3-bet the river with? Just flushes, and because of that you have to hope your opponent can't think through the situation and you can get him to fold some 2 pair and one pair hands. At higher stakes you'll just get snapped off here.

I understand it might be a fold pre, I agree with that. I don't understand the rest of your point though?.Yes I'm only repping flushes, but why would I automatically get snapped off at higher stakes? Would you mind explaining please, John? Thanks for your input

Originally posted by Castle93

I understand it might be a fold pre, I agree with that. I don't understand the rest of your point though?.Yes I'm only repping flushes, but why would I automatically get snapped off at higher stakes? Would you mind explaining please, John? Thanks for your input

Because you rep an incredibly narrow range (flop flushed) that isn't consistent with the betting. Sure, sometimes you'll check the flop with a flush, but not often on this board texture because it will be difficult to a build a good pot unless someone has Kx or set. So you only max value by just betting. So when your range becomes so polarized to badly played flopped flush or air, you'll get snapped by good players with a pretty wide range OTR.

I think your read on this hand was mostly, "he doesn't have it on river, so I can out bluff him", and that's fine. You just want to make sure you really have that read because otherwise as you move up, you'll be stuck getting snapped and not knowing why.

I kinda like it.

It would definitely be better with AdJx, but I suspect that he probably had something like that himself. Calling the raise might be an option (also sick) but you don't want him to turn over AdQh!

I don't know if it's +EV against an unknown at NL16, but 3-bet bluffs postflop are obv sexy as hell. Presumably you don't make a habit of this, so fuck it, nh.

Originally posted by JohnAnhalt

Originally posted by Castle93

I understand it might be a fold pre, I agree with that. I don't understand the rest of your point though?.Yes I'm only repping flushes, but why would I automatically get snapped off at higher stakes? Would you mind explaining please, John? Thanks for your input

Because you rep an incredibly narrow range (flop flushed) that isn't consistent with the betting. Sure, sometimes you'll check the flop with a flush, but not often on this board texture because it will be difficult to a build a good pot unless someone has Kx or set. So you only max value by just betting. So when your range becomes so polarized to badly played flopped flush or air, you'll get snapped by good players with a pretty wide range OTR.

I think your read on this hand was mostly, "he doesn't have it on river, so I can out bluff him", and that's fine. You just want to make sure you really have that read because otherwise as you move up, you'll be stuck getting snapped and not knowing why.

Yes I can see where you're coming from and I think you're right. The only thing I disagree with if I'm pretty much checking this flop 100% against an unknown UTG rasier. I don't see a huge amount of value in donking it.

Originally posted by MJPerry
I kinda like it.

It would definitely be better with AdJx, but I suspect that he probably had something like that himself. Calling the raise might be an option (also sick) but you don't want him to turn over AdQh!

I don't know if it's +EV against an unknown at NL16, but 3-bet bluffs postflop are obv sexy as hell. Presumably you don't make a habit of this, so fuck it, nh.

Yes it would be I don't like calling because he could have easily turned a better hand into a bluff. You're right, I don't make a habit of it, I just went with a read on this individual occasion. Thanks buddy, love the blog by the way.