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QQ vs Turn Shove

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sketchzr
Joined: 12.08.2009

Villain seems a bit spewy but turn card is horrible for me. Maybe I'm checking the turn? I feel like I'm being bluffed off these spots often in other situations since it's been happening a tonne and usually at the same table.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $6.43 (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 20)
Hero (MP): $14.67
CO: $11.72 (VPIP: 32.26, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BTN: $10.62 (VPIP: 41.27, PFR: 6.35, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 65)
SB: $12.98 (VPIP: 26.56, PFR: 21.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)
BB: $15.47 (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 16.28, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 44)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has Q♥ Q♣

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.75, 2 players) 3♣ 4♠ J♣
Hero bets $0.54, BTN calls $0.54

Turn: ($1.83, 2 players) 5♣
Hero bets $1.10, BTN raises to $9.78 and is all-in

Spoiler

BTN wins $3.85


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

From experience he has the flush way too often here, probably a low flush that he wants to protect or at worse the straight (A2 or 67) . you will see occasionally a hand like JQ+ but not often enough to warrant a call IMO

personally, I'd fold (unless I have a particular read on this player or maybe if he is Russian )


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think we can bet flop and turn for value. Fold turn, I believe he is almost never bluffing.


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Lathdari
Joined: 07.10.2014

It's annoying, but I think you have to fold there.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

No need to check the turn, imo. Bet/folding in this situation would often be the best vs average NL10 player, I believe.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Flop is dry and you may not be betting that big.
On turn bet 1/2 and fold vs a raise.


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JohnAnhalt
Joined: 19.05.2014

Aggression numbers for your opponent? You definitely want to bet the turn here always against an opponent like this. The bigger question is, how spewy and aggressive is he? You can see bad opponents with these kinds of stacks shove JxXc more than you'd expect to see versus better opponents. So hands like JxKc, JxAc, etc... but if you're unsure, then bet / fold is fine.


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xin1575
Joined: 22.10.2015

Without aggression numbers, you could look at the VPIP vs PFR to get an idea. In villain's case he is VPIP: 41.27, PFR: 6.35, which appears to be loose/passive. So that makes the Turn shove even more likely that he's got you beat, in my opinion. And since you bet both the flop and turn, he's probably putting you on a good hand so he's thinking that you'll call the shove.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

It is a very small hand sample and it is a mistake to base your decisions on that.


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@nitroll How can you say the flop is dry?


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I don't think this is a bluff often enough to be a call. Bet-folding the turn is fine against a shove I think. People just don't do that really on the micro limits (NL10 at least) with a hand like AJ/KJ with the A♣ or K♣ to justify a call.

And yeah, like other people have said, villain looks a typical loose-passive by his stats so easy fold on the turn :) turn bet is still fine though!


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Originally posted by nitrol
Flop is dry and you may not be betting that big.
On turn bet 1/2 and fold vs a raise.

It's not really a dry flop, but not a very wet one either. It has a flush draw, but a dry flop would be like a J42r with no reasonable draws. Against this particular opponent (very loose) I'd bet big for pure value, he will call a lot of worse stuff and all his draws on the flop and probably on the turn as well.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by henkhenkenst
@nitroll How can you say the flop is dry?

Really?


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by henkhenkenst
@nitroll How can you say the flop is dry?

It's on the dry side. "Dry" isn't a synonym for "rainbow".


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Lathdari
Joined: 07.10.2014

It has connected cards as well (56s, A5s can't be ruled out). It's not wet, but I certainly wouldn't call it dry. Bet sizing looks fine to me.


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zoty79
Joined: 31.03.2010

I would bet/fold the Turn. Call Flop and raise turn are mostly the Nuts. he can have 67, or A2, and the Flush is also there. and you dont block his Acx flushes.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Flush and straight got there and we face a raise...we fold.


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