Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2838827
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BTN: $1.37
SB: $5.34
Hero (BB): $4.86
UTG: $5.32
MP: $6.17
CO: $2.05
Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with K 
K 
4 folds, SB raises to $0.06, Hero raises to $0.18, SB raises to $0.54, Hero raises to $1.62, SB raises to $5.34 all in, 1 fold
is that a call ?
Pretty tough spot actually. Do you have any info on villain?
I think villains range is KK+,AK here. Some might be looser some tighter. I think this is a call but we are only flipping in the long run.
Originally posted by nitrol
Do not get into this spot when that deep. Just call the 4 bet.
I agree with this. When you 5bet you have already decided that you will play for stacks.
Do you think he folds to 5bet? No.
Do you think his range is any different if he just calls your 5bet or shoves on top? No.
If he's a decent regular, then his range in this spot is KK+. I think you should never go all in preflop vs a reg when you are both 200bb+ deep. You split if he has KK, and you are way behind if he holds AA.
All 4b/5b are big in sizes. When deep you can raise if you have stats on villain. As we do not have stats, I prefer calling than 3 betting.
Originally posted by nitrol
All 4b/5b are big in sizes. When deep you can raise if you have stats on villain. As we do not have stats, I prefer calling than 3 betting.
Now I'm confused. Did you change your mind? Your opinion is: [ ] call the 4bet, [ ] do not 3bet at all?
Nothing confusing, if you have stats that say he will continue wider than KK+, you can 3bet.
As we do not have stats or notes or reads - we should call preflop instead of 3 betting.
I would 3bet this almost always. If we have reads that villain will not continue wider than KK+, I think we can just call. As long as villain is unknown or we do not have any info that suggests him folding 99% to 3bets, 3betting is standard and totally fine. I think the fact that we are both deep it not good enough reason not to 3bet in blind battle with KK.
Originally posted by la55i
Pretty tough spot actually. Do you have any info on villain?I think villains range is KK+,AK here. Some might be looser some tighter. I think this is a call but we are only flipping in the long run.
If he has AK, he will have QQ too. So stacking off is fine.
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by la55i
Pretty tough spot actually. Do you have any info on villain?I think villains range is KK+,AK here. Some might be looser some tighter. I think this is a call but we are only flipping in the long run.
If he has AK, he will have QQ too. So stacking off is fine.
your 1st post: You would just call the 4bet
2nd: You suddenly would just call pre because no stats
3rd: You repeat what you just said and insist that we can not 3bet BvB with KK when deep and no stats
4th: Instead of commenting my opinion about that it is always ok to 3bet BvB with KK when we do not have stats that suggest villain is a rock, you tell me that if he has AK he will have QQ too. This is not necessarily the case imo.
I didn't quite get your point here. Or is your point to make over 400 posts this month so I would not get that 50$? 
I know that I'm irritating right now and we have had this conversation earlier but I think the way you make these posts is ridiculous.. And the system that has rewarded you 50$ last 10 months (or is it 11) is even more ridiculous.
How can we help you without any information on villain? Other than the words reg we don't have any information.
Standard 3bet is fine. Then call the 4bet. By 5betting ur setting yourself up for AA vs KK
Originally posted by la55i
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by la55i
Pretty tough spot actually. Do you have any info on villain?I think villains range is KK+,AK here. Some might be looser some tighter. I think this is a call but we are only flipping in the long run.
If he has AK, he will have QQ too. So stacking off is fine.
your 1st post: You would just call the 4bet
2nd: You suddenly would just call pre because no stats
3rd: You repeat what you just said and insist that we can not 3bet BvB with KK when deep and no stats
4th: Instead of commenting my opinion about that it is always ok to 3bet BvB with KK when we do not have stats that suggest villain is a rock, you tell me that if he has AK he will have QQ too. This is not necessarily the case imo.I didn't quite get your point here. Or is your point to make over 400 posts this month so I would not get that 50$?
I know that I'm irritating right now and we have had this conversation earlier but I think the way you make these posts is ridiculous.. And the system that has rewarded you 50$ last 10 months (or is it 11) is even more ridiculous.
My opinion can change, you know. When people think and see different perspectives, it is possible.
All you have to knowis you have to be very careful when facing 4 bets in a deepstack play with KK.
As hero is not providing any information on villain, we can argue all day...
It's tough with no info on villain, but it's pretty hard to get away from KK before the flop. Again, with no info on villain, you're more than likely up against AA or KK, but who knows. I would still probably call.
Originally posted by Pistoleroo
How can we help you without any information on villain? Other than the words reg we don't have any information.Standard 3bet is fine. Then call the 4bet. By 5betting ur setting yourself up for AA vs KK
This is right.
Originally posted by la55i
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by la55i
Pretty tough spot actually. Do you have any info on villain?I think villains range is KK+,AK here. Some might be looser some tighter. I think this is a call but we are only flipping in the long run.
If he has AK, he will have QQ too. So stacking off is fine.
your 1st post: You would just call the 4bet
2nd: You suddenly would just call pre because no stats
3rd: You repeat what you just said and insist that we can not 3bet BvB with KK when deep and no stats
4th: Instead of commenting my opinion about that it is always ok to 3bet BvB with KK when we do not have stats that suggest villain is a rock, you tell me that if he has AK he will have QQ too. This is not necessarily the case imo.I didn't quite get your point here. Or is your point to make over 400 posts this month so I would not get that 50$?
I know that I'm irritating right now and we have had this conversation earlier but I think the way you make these posts is ridiculous.. And the system that has rewarded you 50$ last 10 months (or is it 11) is even more ridiculous.
Your 1st post: I am calling the push.
2nd. I am not 5 betting, just calling the4 bet, AS NITROL SAYS. 
lol. And you dare to speak after that.
You can expect that he have KK,AA in this situation and as you block KK its not very likely that he holds it too.
Equity Win Tie
MP2 49.99% 46.10% 3.89% { KK }
MP3 50.01% 46.12% 3.89% { QQ+ }
we will even consider that he have queens in this situation but its extremly unlikely.
so in best case its coinflip and in worse(most possible) its 18%.
Equity Win Tie
MP2 18.05% 17.82% 0.23% { KK }
MP3 81.95% 81.72% 0.23% { AA }
and if you think he have AA when he 4 bets on turn you can only fold becouse you canot call for set mine becouse you would need 10.50$ to make it profitable as part of "RULE 20" suggest.
