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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.75 (27.5 bb)
BB: $8.15 (81.5 bb)
UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $11.47 (114.7 bb)
Hero (CO): $10 (100 bb)
BTN: $18.47 (184.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q J
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, BTN calls $0.25, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.65) 9 6 A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.45) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.69, BTN calls $0.69

River: ($2.83) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BTN raises to $5.90, Hero???

Preflop: Default open from the CO. BTN plays 33/17 in 6 hands, so not much to say about him.

Flop: On A-high flop with backdoors I think it's fine to cbet as a bluff.

Turn: I hit a flushdraw and a gutshot, so I decided to cbet again. I choose this size because I don't expect much fold equity, so will lose smaller when he calls. That way I control the size of the pot, in comparison with check/calling, which is another option I could do there, and I keep initiative which would be especially be improtant in case I hit the river. I don't like check/raising there with a decent draw, but not a monster draw.

River: I hit a flush and betting for value now. The size should probably be a bit bigger because unknown is still calling with Ax and I don't expect raises from worse (straights, sets and two pairs are probably raising the turn). And then he check/raised. Since I don't really see worse hands doing that on the river, I think folding is the best option. I believe that A-high or K-high flush is his most probable holding. Might be that I induced a raise with the sizing, but I don't expect an unknown to bluff raise river alot (or maybe at all). What do you think?


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krasops
Joined: 02.02.2014

never folding ... bet bigger though on river and turn .


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I think all play on previous streets loses meaning if you fold.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010
krasops
Joined: 02.02.2014

given ur size u cant be sure , maybe he thinks he can raise for value with his sets, two pairs ( 98, A8,A9 ) or some nano flush like 45dd


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by krasops
given ur size u cant be sure , maybe he thinks he can raise for value with his sets, two pairs ( 98, A8,A9 ) or some nano flush like 45dd

Would 98, A8 and A9 raise the turn, when there is a flushdraw on board? 5d4d makes some sense, imo, but it's questionable does it call preflop and does it call the flop.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

He can have a lot low flushes - 54,65,76... or other combinations.


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

76, 75, 65, 64. That's it. But if he calls this, he have also KT, A3-A7, AT and AK maybe. This is not an easy call, but I will call anyway.


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vladnz
Joined: 17.01.2007

I would c/f flop.

Bet $1 turn,river bet $2.10/shove if re-raised


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Depending on how high is his vpip, u can get an idea if there is lots of worse flushes or not. By getting the feel of how agressive he is, makes this decision even more accurate.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador
Depending on how high is his vpip, u can get an idea if there is lots of worse flushes or not. By getting the feel of how agressive he is, makes this decision even more accurate.

It's impossible to tell about this villain in just 6 hands. I need to be good in 30% of cases or more to call profitably there. From my experience, they will very rarely raise worse and with rarely I mean probably less than 15%. I'm not even sure they will raise K-high flush like this all the time. In general, one of the population reads at micros is that raising river is never a bluff and very often is the nuts. That's also my experience. So, I wouldn't ever say that it's an easy and standard call.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

On flop u can cbet smaller, btw. Its a A-dry board where few hands can keep going.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by Alleen86

Originally posted by Afulibador
Depending on how high is his vpip, u can get an idea if there is lots of worse flushes or not. By getting the feel of how agressive he is, makes this decision even more accurate.

It's impossible to tell about this villain in just 6 hands. I need to be good in 30% of cases or more to call profitably there. From my experience, they will very rarely raise worse and with rarely I mean probably less than 15%. I'm not even sure they will raise K-high flush like this all the time. In general, one of the population reads at micros is that raising river is never a bluff and very often is the nuts. That's also my experience. So, I wouldn't ever say that it's an easy and standard call.

Totally agree w u. In these stakes when u get raised on turn, and specially river, u are almost always behind. Unless u have the nuts urself _biggrin:

My thinking was if u had this information to base on.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think you could bet a bit bigger OTT and OTR. I'm not folding there. Sometimes villain can have higher flush but shit happens.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Yep, la55i. Betting bigger u are pratically givin up the option to fold, bc odds.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador
Yep, la55i. Betting bigger u are pratically givin up the option to fold, bc odds.

I guess nitrol will pass those $50 this month. :coolface:


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

If thats a support, Alleen, I appreciate it _biggrin:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador
On flop u can cbet smaller, btw. Its a A-dry board where few hands can keep going.

Not always right. Nowadays Axx boards are cbetted like every time and many players can call with smaller than A pairs.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador
On flop u can cbet smaller, btw. Its a A-dry board where few hands can keep going.

Not always right. Nowadays Axx boards are cbetted like every time and many players can call with smaller than A pairs.

Well, a well known coach from here on PS said me that, and is working fine till now.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Well, on nl10 many players continue on Axx boards. So?


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