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ZOOM AK,AQ oop on missed flop

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ferko5
Joined: 01.04.2011

Full Tilt - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 123 BB (VPIP: 32.35, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 35)
SB: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 6.25, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
Hero (BB): 117 BB
UTG: 136.5 BB (VPIP: 6.98, PFR: 4.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 44)
MP: 275.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
CO: 238.5 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ A♣

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) 9♦ 4♣ 3♥
Hero checks, UTG bets 5 BB,

Full Tilt - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: 112 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 42.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (MP): 111.5 BB
CO: 109.5 BB (VPIP: 26.36, PFR: 19.38, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 133)
BTN: 405 BB
SB: 294.5 BB (VPIP: 14.89, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 48)
BB: 81 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 19.23, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ Q♠

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 4♥ 6♣ 8♠
Hero checks, CO bets 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB

Turn: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 3♣
Hero checks, CO bets 8.5 BB,

I'm posting 2 hands because I have a general question regarding line when I'm OOP with 2 over cards like AK, AQ and completely miss flop.
I understand it can be difficult to provide general advise but maybe at least what should I consider making the decision.
First hand is against quite unknown guy but so far seems tight so I just call pre. After missed flop I don't know if donk is an option or not and after his C-bet not sure what to do. Call ones or 2 times or simply fold ?
Second hand is similar but not the same as I'm first to raise. Folding on flop appears to tight so I call. However on Turn I don't know anymore if betting is good decision so I'm giving up the hand. Not sure if villain is bluffing so often that I should continue.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

Second hand:

I would go for 2 barrels, his range is extremely wide considering cold call IP on CO plus his stats. The board was relatively dry and usually 2 barrels will do the job, in addition you had 2 overcards, perfect to bluffcatch on futher streets.

AP (as played): I don't see any point in calling down with two overs faced with aggression even with odds you've been given.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You can call 1 street and that is it.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

First hand is a 3Bet. I understand in some situations you might opt in for a flat call against a UTG with AK but it is a rather advanced play, no need against an unknown player even if he assumes to be tight

Second hand: 1 street of value, the 3 connects too much with the flop


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think first hand is flat call vs utg, not 3bet. I would flat almost always vs utg and especially when he has 4% pfr in 44 hands.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

This is a small sample to decide opening ranges, it is 7rounds... But still AKo is a flat vs UTG.


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thazar
Joined: 14.09.2009

2 very different hands, 2 very different situations :)

hand 1, a call is definitely better than a 3 bet vs this player and check / fold when miss the flop is fine. I am even contemplating a very nitty fold pre, given that you will hit a pair 30% of the time and still not be satisfied with your hand, anything better is good but wont happen often enough to justify a call. I think the reverse implied odds are well when we hit are higher than the money to be made.

hand 2: player is much more laggy, meaning his range is much wider, I don't mind betting and barrelling on this flop and turn, hoping for a high card on the river to bet again and hopefully get a fold. Without reads I would fold to any raise though on flop or turn.


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Pistoleroo
Joined: 06.02.2015

Ako versus a tight utg open is a call. On the flop u can fold without thinking back.


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ferko5
Joined: 01.04.2011

Thank you all for comments. AK I'm quite ok as played.
Thinking of AQ again, probably better line would be c-bet flop and turn and give up river.


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Pistoleroo
Joined: 06.02.2015

AQo on these board i'd prefer to cbet or to c/f depending on villian. Don't see any reason to c/c unless u have good gameplan for later streets.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Always check for additional stats/info. This will help your decision.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

AQo I would Cbet. AKo fold too.


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