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AQ on flush board - hand evaluation step by step - am I doing it right?

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): 104 BB
UTG: 73 BB
CO: 72.5 BB
BTN: 100 BB
SB: 233.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♣ Q♣

fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, CO calls 3 BB

Flop: (8.5 BB, 2 players) 9♠ A♠ 5♠
Hero bets 6 BB, CO calls 6 BB

Turn: (20.5 BB, 2 players) 2♠
Hero checks, CO bets 10 BB, fold

Spoiler

CO wins 20 BB

The main reason I posted this hand is to post my after session hand review thinking process to see if I'm doing it right or not (I am in the learning process, so every advice is welcome).

It was a limped pot, so I put him on a 40% VPIP in Equilab, and extracted from it QQ+, AJs+ KQs, AJo+ and added 22 and 33. So this way I ended up with: JJ-22,ATs-A2s,KJs-K2s,Q4s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,ATo-A3o,K7o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+ (copy paste from Equilab). This way I had 51.63% of equity.

OTF I had top pair, and I was betting 2/3 of the pot for protecting my top pair against the one spade hands. He called.
This made me put him on the next range: JJ, 99, 55, ATs-A2s, J9s, KsJs, QsJs, KsTs, QsTs, JsTs, Ks9s, Qs9s, Ts9s, Ks8s, Qs8s, Js8s, Ts8s, 9s8s, Ks7s, Qs7s, Js7s, Ts7s, 9s7s, 8s7s, Ks6s, Qs6s, Ks5s, Qs5s, Ks4s, Qs4s, Ks3s, Ks2s, ATo-A3o, J9o, KdQs, KhQs, KsQd, KsQh, KsQc, KcQs, KdJs, KhJs, KsJd, KsJh, KsJc, KcJs, KdTs, KhTs, KsTd, KsTh, KsTc, KcTs, Kd9s, Kh9s, Ks9d, Ks9h, Ks9c, Kc9s, Kd8s, Kh8s, Ks8d, Ks8h, Ks8c, Kc8s, Kd7s, Kh7s, Ks7d, Ks7h, Ks7c, Kc7s, QdJs, QhJs, QsJd, QsJh, QsJc, QcJs, QdTs, QhTs, QsTd, QsTh, QsTc, QcTs, Qd9s, Qh9s, Qs9d, Qs9h, Qs9c, Qc9s, Qd8s, Qh8s, Qs8d, Qs8h, Qs8c, Qc8s, JdTs, JhTs, JsTd, JsTh, JsTc, JcTs, Jd8s, Jh8s, Js8d, Js8h, Js8c, Jc8s, Td9s, Th9s, Ts9d, Ts9h, Ts9c, Tc9s, Td8s, Th8s, Ts8d, Ts8h, Ts8c, Tc8s. (again, copy paste from Equilab :) )

OTT I checked, because - I don't exactly know why, I think I was afraid of the draws and wanted to see what he does. He bet 10BB (half pot), which I think could have been a weak flush or a weak top pair. As I checked in Equilab at this point I had 24,50% of equity, and to call his bet I needed 10/10+10+20.5 = 0.24 = 24% of equity.

So I guess my fold was a right call, because it is very close.

So, this is how I am starting to learn to evaluate my hands, where am I doing it right and where am I doing it wrong?

Thanks guys if you had the patience to read it :)


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Better fold when the fourth :spade: arrives. Maybe I call with J♠:


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

This turn I think u should fire.
Its hard for villain to continue without a spade... and checking here u are showing weakness, inviting the guy to stab.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I like the x fold on turn vs a limp caller. No need to invest more here.


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

Originally posted by Afulibador
This turn I think u should fire.
Its hard for villain to continue without a spade... and checking here u are showing weakness, inviting the guy to stab.

That's true. But he won't bluff either if he has some kind of showdown value. Therefore it makes more sense to checkdown since we are often still good with our Top-Pair + he can actually have a lot of :spade: 's here. NH!


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SvenBe
Joined: 19.04.2006

He Agness88,
you are doing it right going from preflop to flop etc and work with the ranges.

your limping range should probably have less hands on the top end:
JJ-22,ATs-A2s,KJs-K2s,Q4s+,J7s+,T7s+,97s+,87s,ATo-A3o,K7o+,Q8o+,J8o+,T8o+

=> I would remove at least 88-JJ, AT o/s, KJs, KJo, KQo - so a few good hands would disappear.
Cutoff is a decent position to raise these hands, especially in a five handed game.

The flop bet is certainly right without looking even at the ranges: you get called by worse (flushdraws, worse aces, pairs that dont believe you)
On the turn, well ...i would also suck it up and go into c/f mode. It is right that you have decent odds, but ... you will not very likely see a free showdown. Another option would be to see if you have a profitable bet to get villain out of the pot. This depends on the ranges you assign to him.

This brings me to the last point. The whole exercise should be viewed under these two aspects, which you did not mention:

a) the player is unknown. You dont have any reads. In this scenario you assume what a typical player on this limit is doing in such a case. Obv it is a guessing game, but the closest and most likely scenario. You can find out more about this in our article about The 5 player types

b) you do know the player. You collected notes, reads or even use statistics that you collected. Please mention these in your OP the next time, so we can also base the discussion of this. There are players that rarely limp (typical: VPIP 25% PFR 23%) and others that do it more often (typical: VPIP: 30%, PFR: 10% ->this still is not guaranteed to be limping,they could also call raises)

CU,SvenBe


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Well played. I like x/f OTT. Villain is not likely bluffing much.


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Thank you, SvenBe for your long and detailed reply, it was exactly what I needed.

First of all, I took your suggestion on the limped pot from CO, that actually is one of my recent problems, I don't yet have pre-saved ranges in Equilab for limped pots.

Secondly,

Originally posted by SvenBe
Another option would be to see if you have a profitable bet to get villain out of the pot. This depends on the ranges you assign to him.

I didn't quite undersand this idea, how can I calculate if I have the right odds to do this?

About the stats: I use PT4, but I don't use the HUD yet, because I'm a beginner, and I went through a beginner video series the last couple of weeks and we were advised there not to use a HUD at the very beginning, and I find it quite a good suggestion, because I have a lot of things to try to focus on at the table (follow the hand charts, try to calculate the odds, make the right decisions, try to take notes on players, etc.), the HUD would be too much just yet, not to mention I cannot use the information properly anyway, I have to go through some videos on that topic as well first.
And notes on that player I did not have the time the hand happened, if I remember correctly, but I'm not sure I would have posted them anyway, so useful advice there as well :)


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Thank you guys for all the replies :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Assign villain a range. Then determin what hands from that range he is folding if you bet. The ratio between combos that he folds compaired to all combos in the range will tell you that.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

When he calls the flop I think he either a) has a flushdraw (with or without pairs) or b) has a TP or 2nd pair without a flushdraw. When we check the turn, if he has a flush he would bet and if he has a pair he would check back because he is also scared of a flush and wont turn his hand into a bluff. If we bet the turn he will continue with a flush and fold his pairs which we beat anyway. So I think that check/folding the turn is way the best play there.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Alleen, great line of thinking. No doubt.
Actually, since this is NL2 I think its the best advice to follow.
In contrast, playing a bit higher vs regs, imo, they ll buy so much this flush when u check cause they know u wouldnt check if u HAD the flush at first place. And even if u check, u show ur cards when u call or raise his bet. That said, vs regs I think one more stab can be good.


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