A8s BU V SB Turn Decision

Man, no. Seriously, I dont think its a good call w A8s vs a guy that 3bets 4%. Its not a big sample, but enough for me to know he is 3betting a extremely value heavy range.
If u look what happened, u hitted ur ace and ended up folding anyway cause his range looks really strong... Actually, it was strong since the beggining, so u could avoid this by folding pre.

Originally posted by Afulibador
Man, no. Seriously, I dont think its a good call w A8s vs a guy that 3bets 4%. Its not a big sample, but enough for me to know he is 3betting a extremely value heavy range.
If u look what happened, u hitted ur ace and ended up folding anyway cause his range looks really strong... Actually, it was strong since the beggining, so u could avoid this by folding pre.

This. Even without the 3-bet stat, he's 3-betting 4x which, despite him beeing OOP already signals strength. We're just 100BBs deep, so we can find a fold pre. After we call, we are almost forced to call the cbet, otherwise the decision to call pre is just burning money. When he bets 1/2pot on dry and 3/4 when the board gets wetter that usually is a sign of a monster, so fold before you leveled yourself into doing something else.

Even vs unknown A8s is a bit loose call vs a 3b. You could better 4bet/fold it.
With the incorrect preflop move you 've put yourself into a strange position postflop where you do not know how you can win your money back.
I am not calling turn.

Originally posted by Macqas
It is a standart call to his 3bet for me.

Turn - SB bets 3/4 pot. I think that his range is AA,TT, ATs+,AJo+. Also, I expect him to occasionaly bet KK-JJ both on flop and turn.

If you think he has such a strong range for 3betting (no bluffs, no KQ/KJs), why do you call preflop? Be careful every time you use the word standard to justify some play. Always ask yourself "Why is it standard?".

Originally posted by kriko92

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Originally posted by Macqas
It is a standart call to his 3bet for me.

Turn - SB bets 3/4 pot. I think that his range is AA,TT, ATs+,AJo+. Also, I expect him to occasionaly bet KK-JJ both on flop and turn.

If you think he has such a strong range for 3betting (no bluffs, no KQ/KJs), why do you call preflop? Be careful every time you use the word standard to justify some play. Always ask yourself "Why is it standard?".

I meant that that was the part of his range that would bet on flop and turn. I do think he 3bets KQs-KJs as well 99-88 maybe, but is probably giving up on the turn.

If villain defends with depolrised 3b he can have all those hands.

Originally posted by Macqas
Would you call the turn bet and reevaluate the river?

Effective stack on the turn: (102 -9 -9= ) 84bb.
Villain Cbets 26bb leaving him and Hero after a call with a 58bb stack in a (37 +2x26= ) 89bb pot.
This means that the next bet will get both players all-in.

So the question is does Hero want to call an all in on the river with TP and a weak kicker unimproved?
If not what card does Hero need on the river to get a winning hand?

IMO Hero can not call the turn.

wimNP, I didnt found in my post this question u mentioned.
But, yes. I dont think calling turn is correct w hero's hand.

@Afulibador: Sorry, I made a mistake in copy/past. It was a question of the original poster.

I saw that you corrected your post. No problem, friend ♠_thumbsup:

You can 3bet or fold this hand pre. I think you can call oft but when he bets again and increases his bet size he is probably holding a better ace than you have.