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10Zoom FR 99 - villain's story makes no sense?

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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 125.7 BB (VPIP: 14.83, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 5.00, Hands: 397)
SB: 96 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
BB: 49.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: 125.6 BB (VPIP: 10.24, PFR: 9.28, 3Bet Preflop: 2.83, Hands: 300)
Hero (UTG+1): 106.6 BB
MP: 134.4 BB (VPIP: 7.34, PFR: 5.94, 3Bet Preflop: 4.50, Hands: 293)
MP+1: 191 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 21)
MP+2: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.78, PFR: 12.66, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 82)
CO: 112.3 BB (VPIP: 19.77, PFR: 12.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 89)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9♣ 9♦

fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (9.5 BB, 2 players) 8♥ 5♥ 8♣
Hero bets 6 BB, MP+2 calls 6 BB

Turn: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 8♦
Hero bets 12 BB, MP+2 raises to 26 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

River: (73.5 BB, 2 players) 2♥
Hero checks, MP+2 bets 64 BB and is all-in, Hero ....

This is a great example for me of a story that makes no sense. Villain is repping craaaaaaaaazy thin here.

Spoiler

Hero called.

MP+2 shows T♠ A♣ (Three of a Kind, Eights)
(Pre 44%, Flop 24%, Turn 16%)
Hero shows 9♣ 9♦ (Full House, Eights full of Nines)
(Pre 56%, Flop 76%, Turn 84%)
Hero wins 192.4 BB


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Looks to me villains range is all full houses. I think since villain didn't 3bet pre, he has 22-JJ maybe QQ too. I would call river. Villains play here is super stupid, take a note and be happy.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Villain should be 3 betting JJ+? so its really easy call with 99. You really only lose to TT and 55 and win all the other hands in his range.

I add one combo of 87s and you have 67% equity otr without villain even having bluffs. So if villain is capable of doing a stupid bluff here you have even more equity. I'm happy to get all in.

Well played.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Sorry you only lose to TT.


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Pistoleroo
Joined: 06.02.2015

Originally posted by marsa08
Villain should be 3 betting JJ+? so its really easy call with 99. You really only lose to TT and 55 and win all the other hands in his range.

I add one combo of 87s and you have 67% equity otr without villain even having bluffs. So if villain is capable of doing a stupid bluff here you have even more equity. I'm happy to get all in.

Well played.

You don't lose versus 55. Villain could easily be flatting JJ and QQ here.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Yes I corrected myself.

I have never played 9-max. Are they really that nitty(not 3betting JJ QQ)?

Even if they flat JJ QQ I think that there is enough equity to call.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by marsa08
Yes I corrected myself.

I have never played 9-max. Are they really that nitty(not 3betting JJ QQ)?

Even if they flat JJ QQ I think that there is enough equity to call.

In 6max QQ and JJ should be flats vs UTG so I expect in full ring it is as tight or even tighter. Hero opens from EP so JJ should be a flat at least.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

On FR it should be tighter.
Villain can do this with a pp or a flush, so calling is not bad.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by nitrol
On FR it should be tighter.
Villain can do this with a pp or a flush, so calling is not bad.

With a flush when any pp beats him and we called his raise OTT? Sounds a bit far fetched but maybe possible if villain is a fish.


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

We show a lot of strength and really narrow our range when we call the turn raise, down to about 77-AA.

The river shove just felt like a dumb attempt to push us off a big overpair. QQ doing this here for value would be possible but very, very thin given the action in the hand so far. JJ- would be on a blowup and valuetowning themselves.

I'm glad to hear other players finding calls.

Full ring I'd still expect him to 3B QQ+, possibly JJ. We 3B wide and 4B narrow in FR... I probably average about 7 3B.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Hmmm, okay. Just don't fall into the trap of not reassessing the range you assign to villain as bets go in. If really big money goes in, I'd give serious thought to the possibilities 8♠:7♠:, 9♠:8♠:, T♠:8♠:, J♠:8♠:, A♠:8♠:. How clever would you feel when he turn up with one of these hands?


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

I ran into that situation recently actually with KK on a QQQ flop, running into AQ.

It was vs a midstack in a 3bet pot with the KK over though, so it wasn't exactly a decision to make...


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Jaissica, when u said about villain repping really thin... I was thinking he would show TT hahaha
I think we have a call here, still not an easy call.


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