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-ZoOM- AA facing flopraise+POTcbet on dry turn

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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $51.97
SB: $15.25 (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
BB: $25.00 (VPIP: 19.75, PFR: 13.85, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 656)
Hero (UTG): $35.51
MP: $10.67 (VPIP: 22.41, PFR: 12.07, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 61)
CO: $38.48 (VPIP: 47.22, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 17.65, Hands: 37)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has A♣ A♠

Hero raises to $0.75, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.75, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.85, 2 players) Q♥ 9♣ 3♦
Hero bets $1.20, BTN raises to $2.40, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($6.65, 2 players) 3♠
Hero checks, BTN bets $6.35, Hero ....

No reads on Villain, unknown.

On the flop I still see value in a call getting ridiculous odds and the chance that he overplays a toppair here

On the turn it kinda gets ridiculous.

I don't see him potting a weak Qx here, but his Value-Range that beats us is merely 99, very unlikely quads, and QQ (which 3bet a good percentage of the time pre)

Usually I tend to give players on this limit a lot of credit when they raise the flop and cbet pot the turn

What is your line here? Do you see worse playing this way?


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Im calling down on this spot. He is just repping so so so thin.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

min raise flop, pot bet turn, we are deep ....we are folding.


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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

Originally posted by nitrol
min raise flop, pot bet turn, we are deep ....we are folding.

Is this from the new or old testament? :coolface:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Forgot: the board is paired... :)


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

I m calling here too. River u can evaluate again.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Originally posted by nitrol
Forgot: the board is paired... :)

That is good for us. It makes 33 less likely for villain. If villain had Q9 otf we are now ahead. It makes calling easier for us. Also villain can play JT this way.

And nitrol. If you are folding Aces here that means that you are folding Qx and KK so you are folding almost 100% of your range if some one is raising on a dry board?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What worse is raising this dry"board?


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

I just said. JT and Q9 we are ahead of ott. We only lose to 99 rly and that is not many combos. He can also have some random bluff.

What stakes do you play, nitrol?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I amnot sure we can expell all 3x combos... Can he call preflop with A3s for example?

I play NL20.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Okay. Just wondering what Stakes the most players play who are commenting these hands :)

And yeah mabye he can have A3 that he turned in to a bluff.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

And folding here is not a big mistake. I think its close between calling/folding. If we knew what timing villain took here to raise/ bet turn then I would have more reads on what to do.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If you call turn here what will your game be on the river?


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Fold if Q,K or 8 comes.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Apart from that, are you ready to call another solid bet on river?


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Have you considered to make a blog nitrol? Also, do you sometimes read other players' blogs? I would definitely value your input :f_thumbsup:

However, this one, I would say that we cannot fold here. Board is paired, there are not many straight draws and no flush draw. There are not too many cards that could scare us here.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Why is he raising on flop then? This is the main point.
And if you are not scared, why don't 3b that flop?

P.S. do not follow blogs, but I used to...
Appreciate your opinion, Hesticus. Cheers, m8. :)


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Yes if we call turn we have to call river. Calling flop and turn and folding river is the worst option.

No need to 3bet on flop because we will just fold his bluffs. By calling he can still think that his hand is good and bluff/semibluff turn/river.

I'd say call flop raise here always. On this turn card call/fold 50%/50% and when you call turn always call river that is not Q/K/8. If you fold 100% turns its too easy to exploit.

I'd like to hear more opinions on this hand from other people!


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

No probs dude :f_drink: Welcome any time to give a sledgehammer comment on my play :f_biggrin:

And what if he would raise the flop to, say, $6,80? If his opponent calls, he will go over the commitment threshold and knows with another call he'll lose half his stack. And this is only the scenario in which he has top pair as a maximum. I would not assume anymore an opponent would have A-Q when he shoves OTF. He would know that an UTG raise consist out of over pairs and A-K. So, in a way, 3b the flop for value sounds OK to me and comfortably fold when he shoves. What do you think?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I do not think TP is raining here.
AQ is uncomfortable (not always) of a K , KQ is uncomfortable with A on turn. Why raise and not let you bet here ?


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