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NL4: QQ vs 3% 4bet range

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zoty79
Joined: 31.03.2010

IPoker, $0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $4.94 (123.5 bb)
BB: $2.20 (55 bb)
MP: $4 (100 bb)
CO: $4 (100 bb)
BTN: $4.28 (107 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q Q
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.12, Hero raises to $0.40, BB folds, BTN raises to $1Hero?

HI,

Villain plays 22/17. He has a 4bet range on the button of 3%, When this situation came up, he had 2%. What do you do here? Do you call or fold or ship?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

For value he is 4betting KK+,AK I guess. BTNvSB he might have a bluff 4bet range too. I think this is a shove or fold.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

With around 100bb OOP, I would shove this one as well


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

First, and most important is to know how big is the sample size.
Then, 2% is value only range with no bluffs.
It is not a no brainer shove, imo.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

This is no-brain big-dick shove.


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zoty79
Joined: 31.03.2010

Why is this a shove vs a 2% range? we are behind, and lose money.

This are the possible ranges:


       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    57.53%  55.24%   2.29% { JJ+, AKs }
MP3    42.47%  40.17%   2.29% { QdQh }


       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    71.48%  68.45%   3.02% { QQ+, AKs }
MP3    28.52%  25.50%   3.02% { QdQh }


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

How many hands? 4bet situations happens so rarely that you need hundreds of hands to say for sure that villain doesnät have 4bet bluff range here.


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wimNP
Joined: 11.03.2011

PokerStrategy has a nice video on this subject. Queens & Jacks played correctly! 2:20 In steal situations Hero can go all in.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by zoty79
Why is this a shove vs a 2% range? we are behind, and lose money.

This are the possible ranges:


       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    57.53%  55.24%   2.29% { JJ+, AKs }
MP3    42.47%  40.17%   2.29% { QdQh }


       Equity     Win     Tie
MP2    71.48%  68.45%   3.02% { QQ+, AKs }
MP3    28.52%  25.50%   3.02% { QdQh }

Do not remove AKo from the equasion...


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Jaissica
Joined: 10.02.2009

Originally posted by la55i
How many hands? 4bet situations happens so rarely that you need hundreds of hands to say for sure that villain doesnät have 4bet bluff range here.

This, and if not thousands of hands for a reliable sample.


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AngieSenpai
Joined: 05.06.2015

If you don't want to shove the queens in that spot do not 3bet them. Altho that'd be nitty as fuck and for sure not max EV.

Why do you avoid the question on how many hands you got of your opponent? Most likely you are not able to interpret your HUD correctly so let the rest here help you.


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zoty79
Joined: 31.03.2010

I have overall 6.2k hands on villain. He plays 22/17 overall. His RFI on the BU is 30%.
His 4bet ranges are EP 5%(14), MP2%(34), CO5%(44) BU 2%(25)
His overall 3bet is 5.7% So he doesnt really look bluffheavy.

I´ve checked it with Pokerrange, and even if he has AK, JJ+, and KJo and KTo, it is -Ev to ship there. And then i ´ve checked it again, and gave him A2s-A5s additionally, so he has an 6% 4bet range, and it is still -EV in Pokerranger. I don ´t think people bluff more on NL4.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

In that case you should fold to his 4-bet because you aren't deep enough to set-mine. (I suspect that you miss counting what is in the current pot.)


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