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QQ overpair facing turnraise

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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $36.70 (VPIP: 21.66, PFR: 13.67, 3Bet Preflop: 2.36, Hands: 975)
SB: $27.37 (VPIP: 25.95, PFR: 14.05, 3Bet Preflop: 2.82, Hands: 191)
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $32.89 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 5)
MP: $30.05 (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 2.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
CO: $62.78

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q♠ Q♥

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.60, 2 players) T♦ 2♣ 4♣
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.91, Hero calls $0.91

Turn: ($3.42, 2 players) 9♠
Hero bets $2.20, UTG raises to $4.40, Hero calls $2.20

River: ($12.22, 2 players) 5♣
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.66, fold

Spoiler

UTG wins $11.67

Villain unknown. Probably a reg, couldn't find him in the player search.

In zoom I guess it's pretty standard to flat QQ pre. Not expecting to get called by a lot of worse when I 3bet here.

Postflop I find a check/raise pretty overplayed and expect to get called by mostly better. Thus, the plan was to check/call and then lead pretty much any turn apart from an ace or a king. I expect to get value from Tx, JJ, and flushdraws

Now he raises me. I find myself in this spot quite a lot (mostly with pockets, where I don't want to give a freecard OTT, so I lead). I actually don't see him on a lot of worse than our hand when he minraises.

And again... there's the odds discussion vs. the range.

If we call, and then fold the river (as played), why calling the turn in the first place?

Would you agree on my assumption that his raise represents a lot of strength and that we are actually beat, or would you call down, and why? (ultimate hand strength is obv. not a good reason)


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srna10
Joined: 17.12.2010

Pheeew, I'm calling this river. He might be valuebetting river but I think hero is getting good price for calling w overpair. OTT villain mainly raise sets, 2pairs, some draws. Again his minraise give us good odds for calling so I don't think it's a mistake.
My plan would be x/r OTF and stab turn.


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duder1n0
Joined: 07.07.2009

I don't like the turn donkbet at all, it's hard to have a decent bet and check range as well. And you don't have info on Villain, so it's clearly not an exploitative play.

The only spot where I would consider leading turn as a default line even vs unknown, where the turncard improves my range much more than Villain's (like we call BB vs BTN, x/call on QT4r, and turn is a T, now we have a lot of trips after x/calling flop with second pair, while Villain could checkback a lot of his second pairs on the flop). This is not a spot like this.

So I would play x/call flop, x/call turn, and probably x/call most rivers (vbet most river if he checks back turn).

As played, yeah it's weird, we are not happy, but can't fold against the minraise, and river is also whatever, odds are good, but it's probably not a bluff very often, and we hope he is not playing AT/JJ like that...


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Agree that the donkbet is not good. What range are donking here?
With an overpair we should not pump the pot much, imo. I like xc, xc, evaluate. If not A or K and not 4-to-a-straight we can xc river too.


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