20$ PS early middle stage queens questanable play

29.12.2008, 19:36 0

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20+$2 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t12797)
UTG (t14117)
UTG+1 (t2045)
MP1 (t5165)
MP2 (t8009)
Hero (MP3) (t7370)
CO (t7005)
Button (t20190)
SB (t5735)

Hero's M: 24.57

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q♣, Q♦
UTG raises to t600, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t1400, Hero calls t1400, 4 folds, UTG calls t800

Flop: (t4500) 4♠, 2♦, 9♥ (3 players)
UTG bets t1000, MP2 raises to t2800, Hero raises to t5970 (All-In), UTG calls t4970, 1 fold

Turn: (t19240) K♦ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t19240) 5♥ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t19240

im very unhappy with my play here.
i dont want to risk my hole GOOD stack here against an utg raiser and a reraise

on this flop i was going to go broke but it took me some time.
the low donkbet may meen nothing or might be a good trap here with a set of nines.
the raise then was really frightening. because i cant suppose him to do this with ak.
so i thought i would be up against a low pair like 88 TT or JJ
and against perhaps kings or aces ?
after a long thought i pushed all in because the pot was so enormously big.
think now i should habe folded it ?
or push it preflop ?

9 replies

_Anonymous_

29.12.2008, 20:05 0

Q's to a raise and re-raise from early position, or any position = Fold, to a large (more than 24BB) stack. I presume the blinds are 200 here.

Read the Shc's again, "fish".
♦

elrio

Joined: 06.01.2008

Posts: 5,175

29.12.2008, 20:06 0

This is a hard one!
I would never preflop shove with queens against a UTG raiser and a reraise (From that UTG raise!).
On the flop we get a donkbet and for me a smallish reraise bij MP2, (The preflop 3better) en that is a sign that i've been beaten bij a overpair ore a set of nines. I donk think MP2 has TT ore JJ because of the preflop reraise.

Grtz! Elrio

F.C. BRUGES!

_Anonymous_

29.12.2008, 23:04 0

Originally posted by Harold1
Q's to a raise and re-raise from early position, or any position = Fold, to a large (more than 24BB) stack. I presume the blinds are 200 here.

Read the Shc's again, "fish".
♦

:tongue:

this one was really good !

_Anonymous_

30.12.2008, 01:44 0

would have pushed it preflop , its just if MP2 got Ks or As and what range he would reraise with

flop is good but dont understand why he folded on flop with most his stack in there ,

_Anonymous_

30.12.2008, 02:08 0

Hi,

Do you really think your ahead? preflop or post flop?

Personally, I hate the call preflop, and hate the flop push even more.

:/

_Anonymous_

30.12.2008, 10:28 0

i dont like both plays either.
i dont like the call prelop, although folding seemes a bit too weak for me but would have probably been the best play.

and on the flop as i mentioned the pot was so big, and there were still some good chances im up against JJ TT AKs or AA KK

but seriously i dont like the play here.

i think fold/push preflop would have been much better.

_Anonymous_

30.12.2008, 13:17 0

Originally posted by grummeler

i think fold/push preflop would have been much better.

thing is that you need to build stack in any MTT and know you got 36BB but cant see myself folding Qs here preflop ,

would not put UTG on As/Ks because think he would have reraise/pushed preflop and more like AJs+ 8s+ and if any would have put MP2 on Js+ AQs+ and most likely AK

if UTG had 9s or AK then is very unlucky

TribunCaesar

Joined: 29.04.2007

Posts: 5,548

01.01.2009, 16:23 0

push or fold preflop!

If they are both tight and reasonable players in a rather early stage I fold this. If it's in a later stage I shove it.

_Anonymous_

02.01.2009, 11:22 0

true ♦

QQ is just a bad sucking hand in this spot.
JJ would be an easy fold for me.

the main problem here is my stack.

i have a really big stack. so if i just call here i might see a flop and with my position i can then decide what to do.

if my stack would be smaller i would shove my queens.
but my big stack allows me to see a flop and THEN decide wether to go all in or not.

that was my intention. and i still dont get it why it is so wrong.
even dan harrington told me to call here ! ♦

[Closed] 20$ PS early middle stage queens questanable play