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[6-max Zoom] Good fold or no balls?

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 233.5 BB
SB: 25 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: 119.5 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG: 182 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 10.20, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 51)
MP: 85.5 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
CO: 108 BB (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 18.29, 3Bet Preflop: 10.94, Hands: 182)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7♠ 7♣

fold, fold, CO raises to 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB, SB calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (14 BB, 4 players) 5♥ 9♥ 7♦
SB checks, BB bets 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BB calls 6 BB

Turn: (32 BB, 2 players) Q♠
BB checks, Hero bets 24 BB, BB calls 24 BB

River: (80 BB, 2 players) 2♥
BB bets 83 BB and is all-in, fold

BB wins 77 BB

My Thoughts: Pretty standard until flush arrives OTR, probably one of my most difficult folds ever... What do you think?

Thanks! :f_drink:


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Yeah, this is one of those spots where equity might not matter too much. However, for sake of discussion, I have assigned the following range for villain (I left out hands like 86s since stats indicate villain to be tight until proven otherwise).


Board: 7♦9♥5♥ Q♠ 2♥
       Equity     Win     Tie
BU     85.71%  85.71%   0.00% { 7s7c }
BB     14.29%  14.29%   0.00% { QQ-TT, 88, 66, A9s, JTs, T9s, 98s, AhQh, AhJh }


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

The range is totally off. When the flush completes and villain donk push we should fold.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Agree that the range is totally off. TT,JJ will not shove there, maybe those fold already OTT. 88,66 should fold at least OTT. Shove A9 on a flushy Q high board?? You got the point..

We played this hand like we have a strong made hand. That river card is very good for villain to bluff. He could bluff some % here but if we have no info on villain I think we should fold.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

Agree on the fold. So how would we construct the range? Only flushes or is there something more?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

As player is unknown, we cannot say for sure but it will be flushes mostly and some other hands (optional)


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CPallo
Joined: 12.04.2012

I like your fold. It's going to be a flush like 95 % of the time with his line, so I wouldn't risk it without any reads. Good fold :f_drink:


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Nice to hear, this is the kind of spot i still struggle so much to press the fold button lol.
Although he were pretty much committed by the river, i think he would only bluff if he thought i was the one bluffing in the first place, unlikely.

Thanks a lot guys! :f_drink:


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NatRPheM
Joined: 05.10.2008

This is NL2.. What would he ever turn into a bluff here? It's not like he's gonna be thinking about Ah8 float on the flop to either hit or bluff with his nut blocker. Makes no sense for him to bluff shove or value shove 2 pair when a flush hits.. def NOT at NL2.. I mean I don't even know how this can ever be a bluff unless the guy is just a complete maniac and sees a bluff card -> SHOVE. There might be 1 single bluff there that could make sense and that's T8 that just says fuck it, shoves prays and hopes, but with no read to me this is a snap fold.

Another thing speaking to it being a flush, even if he is a tight player(which there is no way we can tell after 11 hands).. with those pot odds preflop most suited cards are gonna look good to take a flop with and station down on a draw, donk shove river when get there... it's a pretty standard line.. people don't fold draws at NL2


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wimNP
Joined: 11.03.2011

Flop
Hero has a monster.
BB donks 3bb in a 14bb pot. There are 4 players in the hand.
Hero raises to 9bb with 2 villains to act.

BB bet is almost a minraise. To get value out of this hand Hero should raise. But a raise to 9bb while the pot is 17bb Villain gets the right odds to call with a flushdraw. 9 outs to a flush and 36 not helpfull cards on the turn and 9 to 35 on the river: about 36 to 18 to win or 2 to 1 for Villain to win. The pot odds offered are 26 to 6 or about 4 to 1: an instant call for villain.


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NothingIsForSho
Joined: 01.06.2014

If you're worried about range defense, just look at the flushes you get to the river with. You seem to be worried that there is a chance he might bluff you here because he thinks you would never raise to 9BBs with 2 other players left on the flop? Is this the case, would you just flat every flush draw or would you raise to that amount with JhTh and QhJh? If you have these flushes that make it to the river then you don't need to worry.


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