AA on draw board

Hero calls hero is still in front often here and villain could be valuetowning themselves. Even better, there could be good future implieds if the villain holds Kc Qc or Jc. Best case for us its AxJc.

No point raising and isolating 100% vs sets and completed flushes.

Call and evaluate OTR in position here. Call moderate river bets on bricks. Fold to big bets / overshoves.

Raising is over play. We should call and see the river. We can still be ahead of we can improve.

You could 3bet pre just a bit bigger. OTT I'm not folding yet. I would call and re-evaluate OTR. As nitrol said raising is not good since we would isolate ourselves against better hands.

but if im not wrong bb has 79 bb invested which is 4/5 of his stack. if he calls on the turn right? isnt he almost commited to call on the river too then?

Originally posted by AXSPIRAL
but if im not wrong bb has 79 bb invested which is 4/5 of his stack. if he calls on the turn right? isnt he almost commited to call on the river too then?

BB folded pre flop. We are playing against UTG+1. We are in position and villain is the one betting, we are calling.

I doubt villain will be betting river too without a strong hand in this board. If villain shoves river we can find a fold on this board with our pair.

nice as played... call turn is std and decide river ...

Also sometimes check back flop

Yeah, it's a call for me as well

See river here

Originally posted by AXSPIRAL
but if im not wrong bb has 79 bb invested which is 4/5 of his stack. if he calls on the turn right? isnt he almost commited to call on the river too then?

I think you read it wrong.

sorry, i meant Hero of course instead of BB. so you guys dont think we are pot commited with 80 bb invested?

What do you suggest if we are lot committed?

In this spot, I don't think I would raise. I would probably just call and see the river, but you don't have a lot of chips left behind if you just call, so you should either fold or shove.

Originally posted by AXSPIRAL
sorry, i meant Hero of course instead of BB. so you guys dont think we are pot commited with 80 bb invested?

If villain shoves OTR, we have to be right 10% of the time to call it profitably. On this board, with this action, I doubt that villain has a worse hand if he shoves river. He can x/r flop and bet turn with QQ,KK but I'm almost 100% sure that he will not ship the rest with those hands. We can call OTT because villain could have those QQ,KK,draws on the turn and we still have nut FD but I don't think we are committed to call his river shove.

Originally posted by MrPink578
In this spot, I don't think I would raise. I would probably just call and see the river, but you don't have a lot of chips left behind if you just call, so you should either fold or shove.

Villain can play like this with some worse hands and we still have nut flush draw on the turn. I think folding would be too weak and if we raise it is clear that only straights, flushes and sets continue. I'm still convinced that calling and seeing the river is the best option here.

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by AXSPIRAL
sorry, i meant Hero of course instead of BB. so you guys dont think we are pot commited with 80 bb invested?

If villain shoves OTR, we have to be right 10% of the time to call it profitably. On this board, with this action, I doubt that villain has a worse hand if he shoves river. He can x/r flop and bet turn with QQ,KK but I'm almost 100% sure that he will not ship the rest with those hands. We can call OTT because villain could have those QQ,KK,draws on the turn and we still have nut FD but I don't think we are committed to call his river shove.

Having priced ourselves is not the same. It doesn't matter if we need 10 or 20% on pot odds of our turn call is wrong.

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by MrPink578
In this spot, I don't think I would raise. I would probably just call and see the river, but you don't have a lot of chips left behind if you just call, so you should either fold or shove.

Villain can play like this with some worse hands and we still have nut flush draw on the turn. I think folding would be too weak and if we raise it is clear that only straights, flushes and sets continue. I'm still convinced that calling and seeing the river is the best option here.

We have where to improve but is this enough ...

Having priced ourselves is not the same. It doesn't matter if we need 10 or 20% on pot odds of our turn call is wrong.

True.

We have where to improve but is this enough ...

I believe it is. We need 28% to call and we get 22% only vs sets. Add QQ,KK and some draws in villains range and we have a clear call OTT. Or what do you think?

Guys, i don't understand/ You are offering call turn? If i call turn, I will remain in the stack 35bb, I will put the bank in this case 75bb , is to be in such a situation, fold on the river ? And no matter what card will fall .
Hands that he would "chek 3-bet" the flop is not so much , as I understand it
CO 59.54% 59.03% 0.50% 88+, AJs, QTs, J9s, T7s, 98s, QTo, J9o, T7o, 98o
BU 40.46% 39.96% 0.50% AhAc

Exactly. We will be left with insignificant stack that will have odds to call on almost every river...
Do we have to push on turn?