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QJs - To cbet, or not to cbet?

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MisterSnS
Joined: 09.11.2011

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $31.18 (VPIP: 27.45, PFR: 21.57, 3Bet Preflop: 5.71, Hands: 105)
SB: $29.56 (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 60.00, 3Bet Preflop: 50.00, Hands: 5)
BB: $49.89 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: $15.77 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 12)
Hero (MP): $29.16
CO: $22.93 (VPIP: 17.47, PFR: 10.84, 3Bet Preflop: 1.75, Hands: 168)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has Q♣ J♣

UTG calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.20, fold, fold, SB calls $1.10, fold, UTG calls $0.95

Flop: ($3.85, 3 players) K♦ 7♦ A♥
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero...

The limper is obv. a fish, no notes no reads. The SB is unknown as well. I put the SB on majorly pocket-pairs, the limper on everything. With the flushdraw laying out there it seems pretty edgy to cbet. What do you think?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

If you bet, bet small. You are essentially "buying a free card" (for the turn). I'd simply check and take the free card now.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You can try and pull off a bluff cbet but I am not sure you have FE vs 2...


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dutchnub
Joined: 27.07.2010

Cbetting in this spot isnt great. The fisher might not even fold an underpair for all you know and the unknown can have a pair but also easily an A or a K. While you are really looking at 3 outs if the pot gets big.... imo check here and take free shot at tour outs


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

I'd go for a smaller iso and b half of the pot or give up completely


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kriko92
Joined: 16.11.2010

Having position here is so good that I definitely don't want to check this and I'd cbet a bit less than half pot. We can fold out air and lower PPs reliably and we also get free river because they won't raise flop or donk turn often. Bonus money if one of them thinks a lot and calls - we can barrel any blank and have a ton of FE.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

Originally posted by kriko92
Bonus money if one of them thinks a lot and calls - we can barrel any blank and have a ton of FE.

What do you mean with this?


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kriko92
Joined: 16.11.2010

When a player thinks for a while when facing a bet, there are two possible thought processes - "Do I call or fold?" and "Do I call or raise?". There are a lot more weak hands than strong hands so someone thinking for some time before calling is a strong incentive for us to keep barreling as a general rule. On this board there is almost nothing that will consider raising and still call us so if we see that happening, villain's range will mainly consist of hands that are really weak and almost folded flop => we barrel turn and he snapfolds. It's basically free money.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

From my experience this is just the opposite. When villain calls quickly he usually has a draw/mid pair/something weak that is not raising or not folding.

When villain thinks a little bit longer they usually have a stronger hand.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Villain with strong holding can take time to decide whether to raise here, or just call and give you the rope...


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Saren113
Joined: 06.03.2009

Agreeing with Marsa08 and nitrol. If someone I concidering being a weakplayer I always barrel when villian c/c quickly.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think betting and checking are both ok. I personally lean more towards betting small.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

There is a principle that says "do not bet yourself off a hand". You have outs to the nuts in a small pot not really worth bluffing into with uncertain prospects (+ or - EV???). The nut cards may give the opponents strong hands, and a check-back is guaranteed to have +EV because 8% of the time you will hit nuts/near nuts. I'd opt for that.


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