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K6s multidraw flop shove AI

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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015
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888 Poker - $0.90+$0.10|100/200 Ante 20 NL - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 9.85 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 13.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
Hero (SB): 17.97 BB
BB: 28.79 BB (VPIP: 24.14, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
CO: 10.9 BB (VPIP: 26.92, PFR: 15.28, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 80)

4 players post ante of 0.1 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.9 BB) Hero has 6♣ K♣

fold, fold, Hero calls 0.5 BB, BB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.4 BB, 2 players) Q♣ T♠ J♣
Hero checks, BB bets 26.69 BB and is all-in, Hero?


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TomClassy
Joined: 06.05.2015
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I think raise 3 bb fold preflop would have been fine.

This shove on the flop, ever call it? 69/31 to outdraw the opp but if we lose, we get no money. Still not a clear fold for me but may be it should be.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008
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It’s also good to know if you have any fold to steal stats on him, but if I raise pre-flop I think 2,5x is fine as well in the SB against the big stack with 2 short stacks still in. In position I would always min raise in this phase of the SNG.

As played we have only a draw and we have still a decent stack left as 2nd in chips.
So I wouldn’t gamble here with him and wait for a better spot on the bubble.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013
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You have OESD+FD so you have good equity. Still your FD is not to the nuts. Compared to other players you have ok stack left if you fold. I would flip a coin and decide. Maybe I lean towards a fold here.


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SDK1987
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If this would be a Cev decision I would earlier gamble than on the bubble.
Based on $ev is this a clear fold. You need way more than 50% equity to make a call profitable.


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la55i
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This is where cash games and tournaments differ a bit. That is why I thought that folding is ultimately the better choice here but I just couldn't tell the proper reasons :)


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TomClassy
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Thank you, guys. Do you happen to know where I can calculate flop $ev decisions for torneys?


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la55i
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Originally posted by TomClassy
Thank you, guys. Do you happen to know where I can calculate flop $ev decisions for torneys?

No problem.
I don't have a clue about flop $ev decision for tournaments. I would like to know this too :)


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SDK1987
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That’s no problem. It’s good to read our Chip Value articles for this:
Chip Value (1): The Principle of Diminishing Chip Value
Chip Value (2): The Fundamentals of the Independent Chip Model (ICM)
Chip Value (3): Application of the ICM
Chip Value (4): The Risk Premium Concept

Then you use a icmcalculator to calculate how much value your chips have when you fold your hand, when you call and win and if you will lose the hand.

In this particular way this hand is converted we don’t have the stack information. So I have calculated that manually. So there could be a mistake in it.
If you will fold the hand your stack has a value of 25.7196% of the prize pool.
If you call and loose it will be 0%, because you don’t have any chips left.
If you call and win your stack has a value of 38.2907. Then you need to give the villain a particle range.

I’m now a little bit lazy and I gave him any 2 range and then you have 68.53% to win this hand:
Board: Q♣T♠J♣
Equity Win Draw
SB 68.53% 65.64% 2.89% { Kc6c }
BB 31.47% 28.57% 2.89% { random }

So you do then 0,6953 times 38,2907= 26,62….% of the prize pool and then you can see how much value you have when he would shove with any 2 cards here. If this would be a realistic range you could even call here, but I doubt the BB would shove that.

Now you can do it yourself as well with a better range and then you will see that you can’t call against him or he knows exact that you need to fold pretty much everything here and I doubt a random $1 player will know this.


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la55i
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Thanks SDK,
I'll look into those when I have time :)


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TomClassy
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I read them some time ago. May be it is time to reiterate. Thank you)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008
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YW guys. Did you already done something with it or not?


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la55i
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You mean have I already read those? Unfortunately not. I have a lot of exams coming up at school and I haven't had time to study poker. When I haven't studied for school stuff I have focused on playing poker instead of learning it but I added those to my TO DO -list :)


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SDK1987
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That’s right and practiced with it or something, but good luck with your exams :gl:


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TomClassy
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SDK, will do smth with it for sure, I also have maths course approching the exam) plus drastic changes in life taking their time. Thank you for your concern))


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SDK1987
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Good luck with your exams and hopefully you have after that enough time to check it out :gl:


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