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87s 3bet pot FD cbet turn decision

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seanspurs87
Joined: 05.09.2012

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): $5.07
BB: $5.00
CO: $5.00 (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 9.62, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 55)
BTN: $7.24 (VPIP: 21.98, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 94)

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 8♠ 7♠

fold, BTN raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.46, fold, BTN calls $0.31

Flop: ($0.97, 2 players) K♠ 4♥ 9♠
Hero bets $0.46, BTN calls $0.46

Turn: ($1.89, 2 players) K♥
Hero???

Hello,
Preflop: Villain folded 2/3 to 3bet preflop. Not a big enough sample but at least I know it's possible he can fold to my bluff.
Flop: pick up the flush draw so decide to cbet 1/2 pot. This is my standard sizing here in a 3bet pot, should I change it at all?
Turn: Not sure what to do here. I don't really think I'm getting villain to fold better hands here. Can I x/c hoping I get ok odds?

Thanks


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

You 3bet bluffed pre. Flop cbet is ok but then you should give up. Villain has Kx in his range and when he called your 3bet he has higher flush draws too. So I think even x/c is bad because our reverse implieds are huge especially when the board is paired. Check fold turn.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Preflop is ok.
Flop cbet in 3b pot should be around 1/2 pan.
Then is a check. But you should decide according to odds if you should call or fold.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Originally posted by nitrol
Preflop is ok.
Flop cbet in 3b pot should be around 1/2 pan.
Then is a check. But you should decide according to odds if you should call or fold.

8 high flush in 3bet pot and paired board. Even if we get barely the odds to call, I would say it is not enough because of the reverse impileds. We would have to get a ridiculous price and we couldn't go broke even if we hit.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If we have odds he may try it and call.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

But there are huge reverse implieds. If he gets odds he can call and when he hits he can call again and lose his stack. I don't expect villain to have weaker flushes after calling 3bet and the board is still paired.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

He may call from time to time then.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Yes. And if villain gives a very good price it is ok to call.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

If course if we hit good price we can call.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

But that has to be very good price.


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seanspurs87
Joined: 05.09.2012

so, basically x/f unless we get a ridiculous price. Thanks for the input


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Yes I think so. Because even if we just barely get the odds to call villain can still be holding a higher flush or a full house and this hand that was meant to be a 3bet bluff pre flop might cost us our whole stack. We have to remember that this hand was bluff, not value, and we rarely can expect to win big with our bluff hands at showdown. In my opinion..


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yes, if it is a top good price.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by la55i
Yes I think so. Because even if we just barely get the odds to call villain can still be holding a higher flush or a full house and this hand that was meant to be a 3bet bluff pre flop might cost us our whole stack. We have to remember that this hand was bluff, not value, and we rarely can expect to win big with our bluff hands at showdown. In my opinion..

This is the nightmare of not but flushes. :)


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