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zoom ATs bluffing capped opponent?

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immot
Joined: 11.05.2007

Poker Stars $5.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2900412
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BTN: $5.05
SB: $5.52
BB: $3.72
UTG: $5.31
MP: $13.14 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 26, 3B: 13, AF: 1,0, Hands: 27
Hero (CO): $7.08

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with A :club: T :club:
1 fold, MP raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.46, 3 folds, MP calls $0.31

Flop: ($0.99) 5 :club: K :spade: 9 :heart: (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $0.50, MP calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.99) 4 :club: (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.12, MP calls $1.12

River: ($4.23) 4 :heart: (2 players)
MP bets $1.45, Hero folds

In this hand I 3bet opponent pre (w34z3l's ranges), I cbet, turn barrel on flush and he donks on me OTR. My first instinct was to fold but later was thinking what is he representing here, AA, AK or KK (for value?) and TT, JJ, QQ (bfor showdown value, block bet?) or air. Considering that KK and AA would have mostlikey 4bet me preflop his range consists of quite weak hands that shouldn't call my shove (because I can easily have KK). Should I shove this river?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would just call this hand pre flop. I believe this hand is a call also in w34z3l's ranges.
OTT I wuold check behind.
OTR villains line looks quite strong and as you might not even beat all of his bluffs, I think it is better to fold.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Where are those ranges?
After the flop cbet was called and after the turn card changing noting, I do not like the turn bet.
Just xb and see the river.
River is a fold. Even if he is bluffing, our bluffcatcher is too weak to check him out.


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I wouldnt bet the turn either. Yes you have an fd but what cards will he fold ott?
Otr simply just fold. You could have many Kx here to call that donk


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

None of you was answering his question. It´s not about calling him OTR.
His question is if he should bluff shove, because TT-QQ should fold then. Even KQs should fold, although i dont think that he would.

I would have played exact the same way as you did, but unfortunetly im a beginner and dont know either if it is the best play.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Actually all of us said that this hand should be folded on the river. That means we don't like the idea of pushing here.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Tyrion88
None of you was answering his question. It´s not about calling him OTR.
His question is if he should bluff shove, because TT-QQ should fold then. Even KQs should fold, although i dont think that he would.

I would have played exact the same way as you did, but unfortunetly im a beginner and dont know either if it is the best play.

If we say that you should fold river what do you think, should you bluff shove? :)


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immot
Joined: 11.05.2007

It was fair question, as you really didn't comment on the shove move. I will check this hand next time as turn indeed doesn't change the board texture and can only make bluffs fold that the opponent is not having often, thanks!


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You are welcome. :)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Turn bet is not good. You will get called, and want the free card to a nut flush. The exception would if you plan to 3-barrel (I'd not myself). Then it might be good.

As you observed, none of the early repliers considered the possibility of a river bluff (though they pretend they did). I think it is a good idea, but maybe not at NL5 (because Kx may be dumb enough to call).


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Sunrise1912
Joined: 24.11.2009

I like pre, flop and turn if the villain is a reg. Against a fish i would check behind the turn 100% and hope to improve. However, villain seems reggish although the small sample.

The thing is that, a normal nl5 reggish player would fold TT, JJ, QQ on the turn and if by any chance decides to call turn - he would hope for a free showdown on the river and would not lead it.

This small blocking river bet is 95% some sort of a K - KT, KJ, KQ, AK (we block AK and KT) and most probably a couple of stupid bluffs like JTs, QJs, 67s, 78s. But when you think again, i believe he would never bet so small with no showdown value, right ?

It all depends on the reads you have. I would feed very stupid if i shoved and he called with KQ, KJ, KT, He is obviously not folding AK but its holdings are reduced.

At the end, if checked to - i will check behind AT, AJ, will bluff AQ and push AK, KK, AA for value. The way villain played it, i will shove AQ, AK, AA, KK, A4s (if we have it pre, i definitely do :) and fold the rest. KQ would be in my calling range here.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

The range you target with a second barrel is just too small. AQ and smaller pairs are already folded out. You have a draw that you don't want to be raised out from, so take the free card. He's unlikely to be on a draw.


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