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Turned set on drawy board.

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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Pacific, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
BB: $4 (80 bb)
Hero (MP): $5.07 (101.4 bb)
CO: $3.33 (66.6 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 6 6
Hero raises to $0.15, CO folds, BTN calls $0.15, SB folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) 4 7 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.23, BTN raises to $0.70, BB folds, Hero calls $0.47

Turn: ($1.87) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.03, Hero raises to $4.22, BTN folds

Results:

Spoiler

$3.93 pot ($0.19 rake)
Final Board: 4 7 3 6
Hero mucked 6 6 and won $3.74 ($1.86 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$1.88 net)

Villain unknown.

Preflop: standard

Flop: Standard bet. Villain raises me and I decide to call. This might be a bad decision but I have gutshot and weak BDFD vs some sets and I still beat flush draws, so decided to call this time. Folding might be standard here.

Turn: Hit a set. Villain can have FD,77,33,44,maybe 56s, overpairs. So I beat decent amount of his hands. I was quite sure he will bet again so I check. If I would have called his bet I would have faced difficult time OTR and third spade would have been bad so decided to shove instead.

My question is mainly about the turn play. I want to see what do you thin about that shove.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

You should discount the BDFD.
Plus if you hit your straight it would be 4 straight cards on board...
Just fold to the raise...


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

yup, I already know that. I know folding would be standard and I just gave my thought process why I decided to call this time even if I knew it is not correct. Maybe I did feel lucky :f_biggrin: But I'm more interested in if you would shove or fold OTT as played. But I guess shove is correct option here, villain has many weaker hands that he plays this way and 77 is only realistic hand that beats me.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I would call OTT .


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GragasBro
Joined: 02.08.2015

Lets take a brief look on his range when you raise flop.

He couldve all the Aces of Spades (A2, A5, A7-AK), 56d, 33, 44, 77, maybe overpairs like 88-AA in some cases (depending on what type of a guy he is)
Also A2-A5 and A7 (maybe A6) w/ just the As.

There are many semibluffs in his range, which arent really completed by the 6c on the turn.

Raising seems fine but IMO calling has the most value out of all the options because you dont know if he will continue his FDs on a big raise since he is unknown.

I understand that you fear a 3rd spade but i guess you get more value out of him trying to bluff river w/ busted FDs than if you raise right away.
If a 3rd spade comes though I guess you can fold river depending on the sizing. (I probably would call <1/2 pot)

Edit: I agree w/ calling Flop, we beat most of his raising range.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Interesting analysis and it might be accurate if I actually had raised villain on the flop. You misread this hand a bit :)
I'm pre flop aggressor and I cbet flop and villain raises. I know I should often fold to that raise since he has sets and other stuff in his range and I have probably 2 outs. But now that I made that move and hit one of my outs, should I x/c turn and then call his river shove or shove OTT and hope there is no spades OTR.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Wow you are stubborn. :)
Call turn, see river.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

You know I'm stubborn :f_biggrin:
I want to know why is it better to just call. I think I'm ahead of his range since he might have weaker sets, draws and overpairs and if draw doesn't complete OTR I'm going broke anyway.


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