NL5 6-max - KQs Sb v MP - Turn/River Line

Do you call a raise otr?

no bet/fold was my intention

I'm no expert but I like the hand as played. OTR the donk stops villain from bluffing with missed draws which we would find hard to call, and we possibly can get weaker hands to call.

I dont see point in donking the river on this board. Worse hands are not calling and you are turning your hand into a bluff.

Also not sure about the call pre in SB.

@marsa

ti is a blocking bet, he is not turning it into a bluff..

@muel

if you x otr, should KQ be the bottom of our calling range here?

I know what a block bet is... I just dont see worse hands calling our donk bet on this board so I dont like it. So the bet it is not for value.

@Marsa08: I think KJ/KT will often call us here, maybe wider. I'm just thinking in terms of the average player on NL5. If I know villain is a better player then maybe not, but I certainly think we get call by worse OTR.

@tinsley

I'm not sure villain would go three streets with KT/KJ here or fire the river with missed draws so I would tend to x/fold until I know villain better.

I think you played this well.
Check calling river is also a decent option.

We should xc river.

Why would you go with a x/c?

I think villain will only bet the river with hands that beat us personally.

then just xf...
what do you achieve by betting small and then fold?
You have a bluff cather and you should bluff catch.

to get value from hands that would otherwise check behind for example (KT/KJ). I doubt very much that these hands would go for 3 streets OR that he triple barrel bluffs.

If I bet and get raised I dont expect him to bluff raise me often so I am dead anyway. but by placing a small bet, I get additional thin value from the times he sigh calls me with worse 1pr b/c "pot odds"

I agree with that reasoning.
Villain probably doesn't 3 barrel with worse hands so I would feel uncomfortable check calling this. If we underbet we can get some calls from weaker Kx and if he calls with better hand we still lose less than if we had check called his 2/3 bet. And I don't see many 3 barrel bluffs so we can fold vs a raise.

Underbetting river OOP is imo better than check folding. We risk only a little and it has some benefits.

by underbetting, we give him a chance to raise and we will have to fold.

You know that river raises at the micros are very often for value. I doubt villain will bluff raise us very often. If he raises we can fold. According to weasel this is not problematic? I also believe this is better line.

What if he raises KJ?

Do you really think he would do that? If he does, good for him. On the long run our line will still be the best.

Whatever is best is genuinely hard to figure out. First, a lot of guesswork abut villain's range and behavior in different scenarios, then a little math (that you don't want to do by hand).

Originally posted by la55i
Do you really think he would do that? If he does, good for him. On the long run our line will still be the best.

I understand that you've found out the power of underbetting the river but still it is not applicable in every single hand.