NL16 SH BTN vs BB AKo 4betting

You can't be checking flop to fold to an 8 on the turn. I think you should C-bet the flop.
You are representing the stronger range Pre and it is likely that villain does not have QQ-AA or he would have tried to get it in pre.
Since you are the once who can have these big hands, it makes more sense when you continue strongly on the flop.
When you check back you rarely have these hands and you allow villain to bluff you off on the turn with like KQs and what not.

I think there are several decent lines. Your line here is ok, but you could call once.
Also cbetting this flop would be fine for those reasons said above, but I don't think you have to cbet here if you don't want to. I think if you had AA,KK, you don't have to always cbet this, so checking with this hand would be ok too?

Originally posted by la55i
I think there are several decent lines. Your line here is ok, but you could call once.
Also cbetting this flop would be fine for those reasons said above, but I don't think you have to cbet here if you don't want to. I think if you had AA,KK, you don't have to always cbet this, so checking with this hand would be ok too?

If Hero has AA or KK why would he not c-bet this flop 100% of the time? He can get a lot of value from something like TT-QQ & some Ace highs and it is unlikely that Villain has him crushed on this board. (Unless Villain 3-bets 88 or 99 pre).

Hero has a bluff 4bet range too. Hero can't be cbetting 100% in 4bet pots. Sometimes after bluff 4bet we can be check folding and we have to protect our checking line by balancing it. On this board AA doesn't need protection and we can easily check here. That way we can trap villain and we are still able to get it all in OTT and OTR if villain keeps on calling.

Originally posted by la55i
Hero has a bluff 4bet range too. Hero can't be cbetting 100% in 4bet pots. Sometimes after bluff 4bet we can be check folding and we have to protect our checking line by balancing it. On this board AA doesn't need protection and we can easily check here. That way we can trap villain and we are still able to get it all in OTT and OTR if villain keeps on calling.

I agree with what you're saying and it makes sense. However, considering the fact that the flop more or less whiffs both Hero's and Villain's range pre-flop (and Hero is stronger pre) I feel as if Villain is forced to fold everything but his strongest holdings to a double or triple barrel on such a dry board. Which makes it one of the best boards to c-bet in a 4-bet pot right?

I guess both lines are playable in retrospect though.

The flop hits villain better.

If villain can 5-bet, I might opt in for a shove instead of 4-bet. I once read from Ed Miller that this is more forgiving in the long-run.

I think I could cbet this flop after checking it in Equilab. If villain has the range I suspect, we have 48,41% of equity vs him. Ofcourse, he won't fold JJ-99, but he will most likelly fold AK-AQ by the river + we can hit our A or K in case he has JJ-TT. I think that decent line here would be standard 1/3 bet OTF (and fold to raise) and shove OTT (preferably if T or J don't hit). I beleive the line will be profitable with the equity and fold equity combined.

Originally posted by Hesticus
If villain can 5-bet, I might opt in for a shove instead of 4-bet. I once read from Ed Miller that this is more forgiving in the long-run.

It is only easier to play that way, not the most profitable line possible in position. Out of position it is closer to optimal.

Many wise things have been said. I think the important thing is to think about these spots before they happen, i.e. have a made up plan that is cooked up and ready to go. In isolation it is probably okay to both to c-bet and to not c-bet, but if one "randomly" always presses the bet button every missed flop, the range might become unbalanced which creates problems only slightly higher than NL16, and quite possibly here too.

B t w, what the hell do people 3-bet-call with OOP? I am equally confused every time I see it.