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AKs flop JJJ c-bet?

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robin261187
Joined: 04.01.2011

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (SB): 158.8 BB
BB: 119.6 BB (VPIP: 22.54, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 72)
UTG: 151.2 BB (VPIP: 19.12, PFR: 13.24, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 68)
MP: 89.2 BB (VPIP: 36.23, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 70)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 8.00, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
BTN: 100.8 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♦ A♦

fold, MP calls 1 BB, fold, BTN raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) J♥ J♠ J♦
Hero checks, BTN bets 9.2 BB, Hero calls 9.2 BB

Turn: (36.4 BB, 2 players) 5♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 34.8 BB, fold,

I don't know what to do when the flop comes 3 of the same card, would you c-bet that flop vs unknown?

Turn I think it's an obvious fold, what about the flop? I don't think I can consider my backdoor straight or flush draw to call because a FH is very likely, I may hit the flush and still be behind and the royal flush is very unlikely to hit. Was calling correct?

Would anyone have also called the turn? Some people go crazy with A high when there are 3 of the same cards on the flop, but this guy is unknown.

Plus, MP is a fish and many times I have seen him calling all the way to the river with marginal hands like 2nd pair, should I have just called BU's raise pre-flop to keep MP in the hand?


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

I would have cbet this flop and fold vs aggression. Micro players almost play open card so no need to out-level yourself when called/raised.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Raise bigger preflop after those limps and min raises...


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FlyingDutchm1n
Joined: 21.08.2012

The limp calling range I think will include a lot of pocket pairs. Still instead of going the check/ call or check/fold way, I would probably have Cbet. Will cost you just as much as a call or even less and you can set your own price of the bet instead of your opponent. Just know that Cbet here will be the better option and fold vs aggression as mentioned before. You will in all likeliness never be able to check/call 3 streets and I think the call one street already with the intention fold to a second bet (unless a A or K rolls of on the next street which will only happen like 12% of the time and what are you gonna do the remainder of the 88%?) approach in this spot is not good as you will face a second and third bet a lot of the time.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would have just bet myself here and fold vs aggression.
When you check call the flop you are super capped.


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

I think the way hero played is correct. Ues, the line with cbet I guess more profitable bcs of FE. Just bet one time and fold vs agro.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

We don't have much fold equity on such a board, but on the other hand, we migh have the best hand, so our cbet might actually be for value/protection. I think check/calling F and check/folding T is fine, but we could also cbet (maybe small cbet, though, like 1/3).


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

I advocate to betting this flop a bit less than half pot. Any unpaired hand that folds, its already a profit.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

vs any unpaired hand you have good equity and you beat for now...


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robin261187
Joined: 04.01.2011

Thanks, guys.

Yes, agreed. Should've c-bet the flop and fold to a raise. Turn would be x/f if unimproved in this case, or would you throw a 2nd barrel?


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

No, then you isolate yourself against many pp and possibly J. By checking OTT, villain still has some weaker Ax in his hands.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by robin261187
Thanks, guys.

Yes, agreed. Should've c-bet the flop and fold to a raise. Turn would be x/f if unimproved in this case, or would you throw a 2nd barrel?

What will you achieve with that? Pump the pot with 6 outs? No need to do that.


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