Folding TP and second nut flush draw on turn

Now, I do not like your preflop call. We will play a big mw pot with a dominated hand. Squeeze or fold.
Postflop is ok.

Originally posted by DAYETTAY
Side topic: Do you think SB should fold river ?

A crying fold would be correct here as you are usually against nuts in these situations, maybe he should have considered c/c.

Originally posted by immot

Originally posted by DAYETTAY
Side topic: Do you think SB should fold river ?

A crying fold would be correct here as you are usually against nuts in these situations, maybe he should have considered c/c.

If I was him I would shove or call the river. Now it’s pretty obvious he has a flush here and then he gets only action of better and not weird that he is calling with so much money invested already.

Further it’s pretty much the same what nitrol already said I think.

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SDK1987

I would squeeze pre flop. Postflop you played ok.

Def squeeze preflop. You don't want to play this hand mw here. I like postflop play too.

I would also rathe squeeze preflop. As played, postflop is fine imo.

We are deep enough to call vs UTG open, but the problem is that we could be stacked bcs of implied and other things. I guess in stacks of 100BB it is an easy call, but in 200BB not sure, I prefer to use suited hands for that spots. The way you played is correct on postflop.

Regarding the squeeze - lol, really? R we going to squeeze with marginal hands in deep stacks? Really? What is your postflop plan in MWP on KXX(flushdraw) board after 2Checks behind. So, BB would defend, CO will call bcs of MWP and deep. Our CB on the flop would probably make 90% players committed bcs of the squeezed pot.

Your CB vs 2 after squeeze will make you partially committed. Also, MP could have AK and not 3B UTG Open if UTG is tight enough.

Oh, they'll fold a lot - precisely because we are deep and we have position. But I am not a religious squeezer like many of the other guys around:)

I clearly said: squeeze or fold...

Originally posted by nitrol
I clearly said: squeeze or fold...

I guess you took it personally Bro, it is not. I'm just writing about my objection of the squeeze ip in deep with marginal hand bcs there a common opinion to squeeze which is not a best option imo

So what hands would we squeeze ip deep? AA+?

I wouldn't want to play this hand multiway against UTG and MP. It is definitely a squeeze. Our goal is to fold out both of them or at least UTG and get call from weaker MP.
The fact that MP still can have AK in his range if UTG is tight doesn't matter we shouldn't squeeze. Every time you 3bet someone they can have AA. Doesn't mean you have to stop 3betting because someone can have a better hand.
I feel like ppl squeeze, 3bet and 4bet way too little at the micros and ppl also fold too much to those.

I guess you are trolling me, anyway I guess it is quite standard range at least Jj+, AQs+, AKo. For better quality knowledge, pls, take a look at Poker strategyarticles for deep stacks. We are at microstakes, most players do not know where the fold button is, so basic rule - big hand big pot.

Originally posted by la55i
I wouldn't want to play this hand multiway against UTG and MP. It is definitely a squeeze. Our goal is to fold out both of them or at least UTG and get call from weaker MP.
The fact that MP still can have AK in his range if UTG is tight doesn't matter we shouldn't squeeze. Every time you 3bet someone they can have AA. Doesn't mean you have to stop 3betting because someone can have a better hand.
I feel like ppl squeeze, 3bet and 4bet way too little at the micros and ppl also fold too much to those.

I guess we bluff 3b with blockers - so, this hand blocks some combos of villains for qq kk , but also for bluff 3b we use f3b stat, right? If we do not know his / their stat why do we 3b if there is no autoprofit? May be we just burning money by 3b the phone.
Note: 3b +CB flop in 2 deep= 10bb (3b) => CB 2/3 20bb on the wet flop vs 2 pls= 70bb and ott we have a draw with tp in mwp we could think we are committed and bet again. Whooalya and we lost 110bb or more. That kills our wr

I am not trolling you i am just saying that squeeze is better than calling. Ofcourse we can mix and fold from time to time. But call is worst. Sometimes we should squeeze as a bluff and KQo is probably the best hand for that because of the blockers

People shouldn't be worrying about preflop play so much. It is a waste of time. You can call and you can squeeze. The big money is in any case lost if you fuck up postflop.

If we do not know his / their stat why do we 3b if there is no autoprofit?

We don't necessarily need to see their stats. At the micros ppl fold too much to 3bets and squeezes so making that move will be profitable in the long run. This is explained well in w34z3l's red line rampage video series.

I would feel more comfortable just flatting with KQs. KQo isn't as good in multiway pots and I would bluff squeeze it here. My squeezing range from these positions would be about this:
Value
QQ+,AKs,AKo
Bluff
AJo,AQo,KQo

Then if I have some stats from villains and know I can squeeze wider I will expand my sqz range to KQs, more AXs.

Also, tend to squeeze more in CO and call more on BU. Reasons should be obvious. Position rules in this game. Uttermost trash flourishes when deep and in position.