Profitable in the long run or just bad play?

Bluffing is legal in some territories you know.

The pot size isn't shown, but your turn bet seems a bit too small. Well played.

You could write (and read) miles and miles about when to bluff and with which hands and how to balance (e.g. you can't raise draws only). But I don't think this is what you are asking.

Originally posted by YohanN7
Bluffing is legal in some territories you know.

The pot size isn't shown, but your turn bet seems a bit too small. Well played.

You could write (and read) miles and miles about when to bluff and with which hands and how to balance (e.g. you can't raise draws only). But I don't think this is what you are asking.

yeah I think I only bet half-pot on the turn, which probably was a bit to small. Better would probably have been closer to pot-size. About the bluff, I am not sure I can represent many hands here other then a set or some kind of draw mostly a flush draw, but I guess 78s is in my range as well. However the Jd on the turn shouldn't help me much from his perspective, so I'm not sure I can represent much of a strong hand here except for a set, but at the same time I felt like i had to put in atleast one more bet here to make him fold. He will probably only fold the turn if he doesn't have an overpair, and because he called my raise it is a real possibility he has.

Of course I have the opportunity to keep bluffing on the river if the right cards come, and it is very likely by then that he has an overpair (drawing hands would probably have folded the turn to a bigger bet) which he probaly will fold to a huge river-bet.

50% is fine. My bad. But don't go smaller.

Then there's lots to say about bluffing.

Even sizing warrants a book of its own:)

Originally posted by YohanN7
50% is fine. My bad. But don't go smaller.

Then there's lots to say about bluffing.

Even sizing warrants a book of its own:)

You know any good source of books, articles etc that goes more in-depth about these things? Every book I read about poker is rather basic and do not explain much about bluffing.

For bet (including bluff) sizing, check out No Limit Hold'em - Theory and Practice by David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth.

The basic message is Bet enough to get the job done, but not much more. They do go into the math thoroughly, but don't tell you when to bluff. They leave that part to you.

Originally posted by YohanN7
For bet (including bluff) sizing, check out No Limit Hold'em - Theory and Practice by David Sklansky and Mason Malmuth.

The basic message is Bet enough to get the job done, but not much more. They do go into the math thoroughly, but don't tell you when to bluff. They leave that part to you.

Thanks! Will check it out. I just read this article: https://www.pokersnowie.com/blog/2014/05/29/understanding-pokersnowies-bet-size-and-frequency. It really shed new light on the topic of bet-sizing. HIgly recommended!

The general rule is: The less often we bet, the bigger our bet size should be.

I personally do not like to bluff in this spot, but the positive for me is that you continue to bet when you hit.

For me it's a fold preflop, but calling is probably fine. With a BDFD and two overs it's totally fine to bluff raise OTF imo and continue betting the turn when we hit TP. If villain would have very strong hand like a set OTF, he would 3bet, so we can probably push him off by the river even if he has QQ+.

I should say I misread the board. We have only BDFD, not FD, so I wouldn't personally bluff. One problem with bluffing with more or less random holdings is that it is very hard to keep track of how much we bluff. Another problem is that we have little insurance (outs) when called. But still no law against it.

Originally posted by YohanN7
I should say I misread the board. We have only BDFD, not FD, so I wouldn't personally bluff. One problem with bluffing with more or less random holdings is that it is very hard to keep track of how much we bluff. Another problem is that we have little insurance (outs) when called. But still no law against it.

I believe that raising flop cbets will generally be a very profitable move because players will fold too much, so we should raise as much as we can, except we have a read that the villain is not folding enough. That's the reason why backdoor draws (preferably nut backdoor draws) + 1 or 2 overcards are fine candidates for bluff raises. We have alot of fold equity and also some equity in case villain calls. Sometimes we can even raise almost any two vs players that fold like 80%+ to raises. I'm personally still strugling with not raising as much as I should.

The board is low and we cannot be sure to get much folds on flop with a raise.

We still shouldn't raise too much. Plenty, but not too much. I have experimented a lot (both successfully and less successfully) playing preflop and flop extremely aggressively, and believe me, people do notice quickly if you overdo it. If you have little else to bluff with here in your range, it is totally fine to go for it. Being on the button I'll have other stuff that I bluff before this hand. The value of overcards as outs is questionable once you get called. For instance, he'll might call with AK, but not with KTs. Hitting a king or a J carries a warning flag.

But then again, another incentive to go for it is that this board mostly missed and UTG range.

If we have info on villain we can make such move. Indeed, keep betting turn as our equity increases, is right.