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NL5 KK v Flop Raise

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muel294
Joined: 06.06.2009

Villain is a relative unknown

Flop: My standard line is to just bet/fold vs a raise (without further reads and an SPR this large) with anything less than 2pr, however, I think if villain raises here with AJo+, QQ+, 2pr+ then I am actually ahead of villains range which I would expect to be something like:

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Board: Jh5h9c
Equity Win Tie
MP2 57.96% 57.96% 0.00% { KdKh }
MP3 42.04% 42.04% 0.00% { QQ, JdJs, JdJc, JsJc, 9d9h, 9d9s, 9h9s, 5d5s, 5d5c, 5s5c, AJs, Jd9d, Js9s, AJo }

However, If I 3b I think villain will only go broke with something like:

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Board: Jh5h9c
Equity Win Tie
MP2 51.54% 51.54% 0.00% { KdKh }
MP3 48.46% 48.46% 0.00% { QQ, JdJs, JdJc, JsJc, 9d9h, 9d9s, 9h9s, 5d5s, 5d5c, 5s5c, Q2s, Jd9d, Js9s }

If villain goes broke with anything worse than this range then I think that I have a profitable 3b. The alternative is to call and re-evaluate the turn and keep villain's weaker range in the hand. In addition I have backdoor hearts that may allow me to continue on a lot of turns.

What do you think is the best line OTF and why?
bet/fold, bet/call, bet/3b?

Cheers

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 151 BB (VPIP: 23.33, PFR: 23.33, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 32)
SB: 122.4 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 7)
BB: 37 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
Hero (UTG): 100 BB
MP: 108.2 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 8)
CO: 101 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K♦ K♥

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 5♥ J♥ 9♣
BB checks, Hero bets 5.8 BB, MP raises to 18 BB, fold, fold

MP wins 20.2 BB


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

I don't know, but your flop bet is too small. Part of the reason to bet bigger is for value, another part is the drawy board, but betting bigger also has informational value. If he 3.5x'es an 8 bb bet (to 28 bb), then you have a clearer picture; he is then probably not drawing. Now you simply don't know, even if you force me to guess, I'd have to say he is raising for value and isolation more than for draws.


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muel294
Joined: 06.06.2009

Yeah I just clicked 2/3. 3/4 would have been better I imagine.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Call once and move on.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Given the positions, I think he will have a set alot more often than a semi-bluff in his flop raising range. I would fold.


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