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[NL4] 3 bet pot facing turn shove on a wet board from a loose player

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Titicamara
Joined: 18.05.2009

Party Poker $4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2942358
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UTG: $4.36 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 15, 3B: 25, AF: 0.0, Hands: 13
MP: $0.61 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 30
CO: $4.80 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 50, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 2
BTN: $2.61 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 30, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 30
Hero (SB): $4.00 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 3.3, Hands: 1940
BB: $4.41 - VPIP: 13, PFR: 13, 3B: 5, AF: 1.0, Hands: 54

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is SB with J♠ J♥
2 folds, CO raises to $0.12, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.40, 1 fold, CO calls $0.28

Flop: ($0.84) 6♦ 5♦ 7♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.64) 9♣ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $4.00, Hero calls $3.20 all in

River: ($8.04) J♦ (2 players - 1 is all in)

I have JJ facing a blind steal from CO, so I decided to 3bet for value seeing that his VPIP is at 50.
On the flop I c-bet on a wet flop hoping that the villian will go away. He called.
On the turn, time to do pot control. I checked and he shoved.
A loose player shoves, should you call most of the time?
If he is a nit, I will fold most of the time.
Did I make the correct call?


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

You are essentially asking if he is bluffing or not. I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.

Instead of guessing, you could resort to game theory, calling down "enough" in relation to the size of the bet so that you can't be exploited, while using the strength of your hole cards as randomizer. I don't feel like writing a two-mile essay about how that is done, but JJ is a snap fold.


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

I think we can cbet the flop a bit bigger on that board. Not sure what to do on this turn, but I guess cbetting would still be an option. If we check, I think folding (especially vs this size) is the best option.


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muel294
Joined: 06.06.2009

Preflop: 3b'ing here is great. Obviously a value 3b, but regarding your reasoning:
- his VPIP/PFR - remeber you only have 2 hands on villains, so you should not give much weight to these stats just yet.

Flop: I would bet/fold more
Like 2/3.

Turn: Either bet/fold 1/2 pot IMO vs some pairs / draws. Or plan to check/call. As said before vs this sizing i would fold. You have to be right too often.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Preflop is ok.
vs this overbet push we cannot call.


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