A4s

With nfd+gustshot is ok your cbet, if they are fishes turn and river i bet close to pot, river you can also overbet, vs reg conversely river i bet small because you haven t bluff in this texture from 3way oop and or

with such high draw easy cbet flop, very often cbet turns I guess. River if miss maybe give up since its multiway, likely that hey have smth, esp if both call the turn.

vs reg conversely river i bet small because you haven t bluff in this texture from 3way oop and or

But question is do we need bluff. I think with the nuts I am bettign big cause still flushes will call. Thats why we do not bluff.

If we think they are folding then the problem is that we do not have bluff.

Worse flush can raise vs smallish size, hero can induce bluff and his calling large is more wide than size big.
I dont want generate much fe here, vs curious i overbet.
If i think that call only flush any size i bet overshove river and exploit villain

In a mwp I do not like to bet flop but bet turn for value. We don't have fold equity OTF.

If hero bet choose him size for see turn and when he receive a reise he can call in odds, furthermore he will face one villan and not 2, he swells pot when improve his draw nuts

MW we can x flop. River is a push.

Imo this hand was well played. I would cbet the flop because we actually have some fold equity and we have a good draw. If we check and hit OTT or OTR we might not get any value because our hand might be obvious to villain.

Still push on river has max EV.

You sure about that? We are deep and villain might not find a call with that many hands.

Absolutely sure. The times he will call will make us more money than the times we make another bets.

Originally posted by nitrol
Absolutely sure. The times he will call will make us more money than the times we make another bets.

I myself like bet big but actually I am not so sure. Need to do some maths and guess how freqently we get calls when bet smaller, guess how freq we get calls when push, and then see the result. Plus the problem is that we guess, we do not know exactly

The fact that there will be some moron to call your AI on this board with a set, straight, weaker flush - this is enough for me to push.

I believe cbetting the flop with that much equity is absolutely fine even multi-way. As the river size is concerned, I'm not sure. Hard to call for him even with 4x (which he won't have that many times). Our shove would be 125,5 BB into pot of 63 BB. I think we can't expect calls in more than 10% of cases, which means that our EV of shove would be max 12,55 BB (125,5*10/100). If he calls our 39 BB bet in 40% of cases, the EV of that bet would be 15,6 BB. Who knows what is more profitable, but in general I believe smaller bet would be more profitable in this situation.

Total nonsense.

I have to say that I think this like Alleen. With smaller bet we can get calls from weaker flushes, straights, sets, 2 pair, Kx but if we bet twice the pot I think even straights will have hard time calling.
I'm willing to believe that shove is the most +EV line but I need some other reasoning than just "total nonsense". Given that we block many of the flush draws I think villain calling 10% of the times sounds reasonable.

I am not willing to give any further info. Everyone can calculate what hands will ever call a bet on river. And how did you get 10%, 40%? And what if morons call AI 15%? Total nonsense.

If villain pay only with flush, hero can cr river and oppo after bet is commined, furthermore he can bluff/thinvaluebet after check, imho vs our small size he can bluff and raise for value anyway imho

Originally posted by nitrol
Total nonsense.

Will not bother to continue discussion on this hand vs such posts.