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Dominik12345
Joined: 24.12.2014

Hello together,

this is one of my very first tournaments.
Could you please help me to figure out what would be the better play in this scenario?

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UTG: t4401 M = 10.87
UTG+1: t1276 M = 3.15
UTG+2: t5653 M = 13.96
MP1: t11169 M = 27.58
MP2: t3897 M = 9.62
Hero (CO): t3780 M = 9.33
BTN: t4281 M = 10.57
SB: t3517 M = 8.68
BB: t5697 M = 14.07

Pre Flop: (t405) Hero is CO with Q :club: Q :spade:
5 folds, Hero raises to t450, 1 fold, SB calls t375, 1 fold

Flop: (t1230) K :club: 7 :club: J :diamond: (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t1050, SB raises to t2100, Hero raises to t3310 all in, SB calls t947 all in

Turn: (t7324) A :diamond: (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t7324) 4 :spade: (2 players - 2 are all in)

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Final Pot: t7324
Hero shows Q :club: Q :spade: (a pair of Queens)
SB shows A :club: K :spade: (two pair, Aces and Kings)
SB wins t7324

Afterwards I would like to kill myself when I see what I have done...
But from the beginning:
It took some time until I've finally got a good hand.
And I thought because of the reason that it will take some time until I get again such a good holding I just have to go for it.

So my question is:
At which point can I shove a hand, although there is a huge possibility that I'm way behind?

Looking at this afterwards this probably wasnt the rigth moment. I was just influenced by the fact that it took so much time until i got this hand.
Thats at least my thougt...

But overall I had the feeling that I was blinded out of the tournament.
I've got so bad cards over such a long period of time that I had no clue about what to do.
Several bluff and float attempts failed so I became really really desperate.
I'm a beginner so I would really appreciate any advice on this issue as well.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Dominik


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Okay, first off you played a single table. Its just the way it is sometimes - you get 30 garbage hands in a row. If you play more tables you wouldnt feel the same way. BUT! That doesnt mean to go ahead and open 15 tournaments at once!
Also, you should work on your steal-resteal game and BB flatting, because often times people 2x and with the antes and your blind out there you get 4-1 meaning you have to call really really wide.

Now onto your hand:
Preflop you have an M of 9 and you should start pushing at 6 or sometimes at 7. So your open is ok, but I would have gone with 2.2x rather than 3x. You are short stacked and wouldnt have any problems to get all your chips in on a safe board, so smaller raise is enough. Also smaller raise could mean that you could be abit wider and someone may push a worse hand vs you. If you 3x, especially when you havent played a hand in a while, your raise screams STRENGTH and most observant opponents will play very cautiously. As you can see even the AK didnt reraise which is by far the most standart way to play his hand, because he was putting u on a monster really often.
On that flop you should just check back. You are in position and get to showdown as cheap as possible. You can call a small bet on the turn and decide on the river! No need to stackoff where you are at best flipping vs monster draw or way behind a K.
The lack of cards isnt a reason to play your hand badly. Always remember that and you will atleast save alot of money! I cant count how many times I had a close decision between going all in or folding, deciding to gamble, getting beaten and left with 1-5 blinds and getting pocket AA/KK the next hand, wishing I had 10 more blinds in my stack to double to 33bb instead of 13! xD


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Dominik12345
Joined: 24.12.2014

"Okay, first off you played a single table. Its just the way it is sometimes - you get 30 garbage hands in a row. If you play more tables you wouldnt feel the same way. BUT! That doesnt mean to go ahead and open 15 tournaments at once!"

Ok I understand...how many tables would you recommend for a beginner?

"Also, you should work on your steal-resteal game and BB flatting, because often times people 2x and with the antes and your blind out there you get 4-1 meaning you have to call really really wide."

Im sorry but I dont really understand what do you mean with that.
I dont really understand the concept of stealing and restealin.
On the one hand I read that I should do that only when my stack is large enough but on the other hand I read and hear that I should begin with it when my stack is between 14 and 20 BB. Im really confused about this.
And I have some problems with reading the resteal-chart as well.

"Now onto your hand:
Preflop you have an M of 9 and you should start pushing at 6 or sometimes at 7. So your open is ok, but I would have gone with 2.2x rather than 3x. You are short stacked and wouldnt have any problems to get all your chips in on a safe board, so smaller raise is enough. Also smaller raise could mean that you could be abit wider and someone may push a worse hand vs you. If you 3x, especially when you havent played a hand in a while, your raise screams STRENGTH and most observant opponents will play very cautiously. As you can see even the AK didnt reraise which is by far the most standart way to play his hand, because he was putting u on a monster really often.
On that flop you should just check back. You are in position and get to showdown as cheap as possible. You can call a small bet on the turn and decide on the river! No need to stackoff where you are at best flipping vs monster draw or way behind a K.
The lack of cards isnt a reason to play your hand badly. Always remember that and you will atleast save alot of money! I cant count how many times I had a close decision between going all in or folding, deciding to gamble, getting beaten and left with 1-5 blinds and getting pocket AA/KK the next hand, wishing I had 10 more blinds in my stack to double to 33bb instead of 13! "

Ok, I'v thought that we should start openraising 2,5 BB when we are in the late phase ?!

Do you recommend this way of play always when an overcard appears on the flop?
For example when I have KK and the flop is A56.

I really appreciate your help.
Thank you very much !!!

Dominik


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nsavov
Joined: 24.09.2010

Well not always. If you are deeper you can actually bet QQ on this flop for thin value. If your oponent doesnt have a K, slow played AA or set you are ahead and get value from his draws or Jx or lower pocket pairs. But for that to be the case you should bet alot less. Bettinf 1000 into 1200 isolates you against better hands or strong draws that can very well be a little ahead of u. Betting like 500 into 1200 keeps his calling range wider. Ofcourse always fold if you get raised. Also alot of the times most players will play in flow and check to you on the turn if you bet flop, but bet if you check back. That bet could be bigger than 500, so you besically set your price to see turn and river, get thin value and alot of information about your oponents hand.
But in this case your stack is a little too short to be making those thin value bets.

Your choice should be based on your oponent also. If hes passive you should bet the flop. If hes aggressive you should check back and decide what to do later. Thats because if you get raise on that flop you will always fold. The difference is that passive players tend to call alot with weak hands and draws and raise always means a strong hand, so you have an easy fold if they raise you. But a raise on the flop from aggressive guy could mean some sort of a semi bluff, but you cant be sure so you will have to fold.

The third reason is how low your pocket pair is. on a dry overcard flop like A72 rainbow KK should always be checked back! QQ too. Probably JJ is close. TT should be a bet more often. 99 even more often. Do you see where Im going with this? Theres not scary cards for your KK on the turn. But there are 12 cards that can hit your oponent on the turn when you have 99. And if you bet he's going to fold hands with 6 outs against your hand like KQ. But also he may call you once with a hands like 66,88 because he doesnt believe you hit that dry flop.

Continue playing 1 table to learn, maybe add 1 more if you are getting bored. The more spots you get the faster you become better.

Stealing is always important. You just start to steal wider when you get shorter because then your tourney life depends on it, while with bigger stack you steal just to chip-up. And if you get really short like 6-7M your steals become all-ins.
Charts are a little hard to read for normal stealing, you should just get a feel of what kind of stack size, oponents and hand you should choose. I recomend watching tournaments reviews - they are full with analysis of interesting spots! :f_thumbsup:


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