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Facing Flop Raise 3bet 94s

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MrPinkii
Joined: 26.02.2009

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 138.8 BB (VPIP: 19.07, PFR: 14.42, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 434)
SB: 148 BB (VPIP: 20.25, PFR: 16.56, 3Bet Preflop: 8.70, Hands: 169)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 73.4 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 9.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
MP: 122.6 BB (VPIP: 26.58, PFR: 19.82, 3Bet Preflop: 10.42, Hands: 226)
CO: 72.2 BB (VPIP: 21.60, PFR: 18.63, 3Bet Preflop: 17.11, Hands: 166)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9♣ 4♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 8♣ 9♥ 6♣
SB checks, Hero bets 8.6 BB, SB raises to 22 BB, Hero raises to 91 BB and is all-in, SB calls 69 BB

Turn: (200 BB, 2 players) 6♦

River: (200 BB, 2 players) 4♦

Usually i dont 3bet this hand but villain seems solid with high ATS and FT3B 100% (1/1). How to play against his c/r?


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Hmm, why do we 3 bet preflop? I would choose between folding/calling. Flop is...overplayed. I would call his raise. Going all in with FD (I don´t think TP is any good after this action) is not good. You also said his FT3B was 100%, but you have there 1/1 which means, it happened only ONCE, right?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I would fold pre. You have very small sample so you don't get reliable stats and that ft3b is 1/1 so it doesn't tell you anything.
Villain just flatted your 3bet so he probably doesn't have KK+ that would overplay OTF so when he raises you it leaves draws and sets. Since he called your 3bet he probably has higher draws than you do.


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

I still don't see any valid explanation to the 3bet.. ft3b 1/1? Not really a sufficient sample?


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

I do not mind 3bet preflop. Its loose but its BB vs SB. I do not do that loose myself but I guess its not terible.

Flop I call usually - we beat bluffs and have top pair plus draw, 4 might help us. 9 also if he does not xr with 9x


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

@OP. It takes plenty of successful preflop steals to make up for postflop disasters. It is probably better to turn PT4 off for a while and concentrate on the postflop game. Sorry if that sounds a bit sarcastic. I am just being honest about what I think. A preflop 3-bet that shows an autoprofit (of, say 0.2 bb or whatever) is no longer a good move when it is compensated for by big mistakes when it is called.


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

Originally posted by YohanN7
@OP. It takes plenty of successful preflop steals to make up for postflop disasters. It is probably better to turn PT4 off for a while and concentrate on the postflop game. Sorry if that sounds a bit sarcastic. I am just being honest about what I think. A preflop 3-bet that shows an autoprofit (of, say 0.2 bb or whatever) is no longer a good move when it is compensated for by big mistakes when it is called.

its ok to make mistakes as long as you learn from them.

I remember one coach said about stealing wide from BTN - you steal wide, yea, you will get into tough postflop spots. But you will learn from them.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Of course8-) Should be no financial disaster either at the micros.

But my belief is that quicker learning is achieved by studying the postflop game as a beginner, not first learning how to use stats (usually incorrectly) to try to steal a preflop pot with a few crumbs in it - or for that matter how to set up preflop 4-bet bluff ranges or make squeeze plays. Playing preflop GTO emulation is the last thing one needs to learn because it is necessary only at the very highest stakes.

Seeing lots of cheap flops and practicing from there by playing tightly is probably cheaper learning. Preflop is i m o not the most important street. Turn and river are, for the simple reason that thats when the big money goes in. Everyone disagrees probably:) But playing postflop is fun poker. You can't fault me there:D


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SPeedFANat1c
Joined: 04.01.2009

Turn and river are, for the simple reason that thats when the big money goes in. Everyone disagrees probablya

I think same.

Ok maybe could discuss - its most money, but its not as frequent as flop situations.


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luffykind
Joined: 20.11.2016

PRE: I just fold 94s is shitty hand. When you 3b
F: you can't bad play here w/ this moster hand. When he x/R he often beat you or he has better FD what who cares you have TP+FD in blind wars i never fold. Call and see turn is for my best option becosue i have TP so i have SD value and can decied turn. Shove is okey becosue you have so many outs.

When i call my plan is when he bet less then 75% i just call, when he push i maybe fold becouse i exept he have sets a lot here, of course i call when i hit my trips or better.


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